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FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ethbr0 »

arroz wrote: post #496
trasz wrote: post #402

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>what the world would look like without America running the show: conquest and genocide in Ukraine, saber rattling in the south china sea, genocide of the Kurds. Meanwhile with America running the show: entire regions - South America and Middle East - largely destroyed, with tens of millions of victims. America isn’t the “world police”, they are just the main bully.

How did the US destroy South America? And please don’t talk about military dictatorship that happened decades ago .-. Middle East has also been invaded by Europe and Russia China has been running concentration camps on middle eastern (for now the ones within their borders)

The strongest argument for the US destroying South America, aside from the obvious propping up of strong men, is probably training and supporting right-wing militias to combat communism.

The effect of their existence as a power base then cascading into politics, etc.

That said, most of South America's recent woes have generally been economic (Guatamala, Venezuela), and the rise of Chavez (and the US not directly acting against his movement for decades) undercuts the "US is responsible for what happens in South America" position.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by ChrisLomont »

wandernotlost wrote: post #519
ChrisLomont wrote: post #239

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> The USA ranks 26th for median wealth Wealth is also a function of age - older people tend to have more - and that ranking is not normalized by such extraneous factors. The US is number 2 by median income, and number 1 for median disposable income, both of which are pretty important, especially to younger people that want cash flow to enjoy life.

The US is way down the list at 120 for income equality, worse than most of the "developed world". That median hides a lot in a country of over 320 million. https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/field/gini-index-coef...

The US also has just about the richest poor in the world - so if reducing inequality means making the poor demonstrably poorer, is that a good solution?

Last I checked, poverty line in the US is at the 85th percentile in world income.

And most importantly, most of that inequality and poverty levels are what are called pre-tax-transfer: they do not account the value given the poor and lower incomes via benefits, which lowers a lot of that inequality (and makes our poor even richer than most of the planet).

For fun, pick a country that you think is better for lower income people, and let's look into it :)

Inequality is relative. Absolute income means a significant amount, even more so to the poor.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by gloryjulio »

thematrixturtle wrote: post #489
tablespoon wrote: post #474

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> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

That's... not a great analogy. I trust my wife a lot more than I trust Mark Zuckerberg (or Xi Jinping).

Because it's US vs China and companies like Meta/Google/Twitter are already treated poorly in China? Ppl are already asking these kind of questions even long before this, why should we allow companies such as Tiktok while so many 'Western' tech companies are banned in China?

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by collegeburner »

cudgy wrote: post #206
jpk wrote: post #33

Lots of folks here arguing that the focus on TikTok is unfair, given the data collection practices of domestic corps like Facebook. From a privacy point of view, this argument is well-founded, but I think it's tangential to the argument TFA is making, which is: this data collection done by a foreign government and exploited for surveillance or espionage is a national security risk. I get it. We want corps to stop hoo…

Ok. Put a stop to TikTok and allow US companies to vacuum up our data. China then hacks those companies servers or installs agents within the companies and gets the data anyway. Security threat not avoided. None of these companies should be allowed to store and abuse the sensitive information people divulge when using many of these services.

this isn't just about data collection. china should not be allowed to become a tech power. producing a popular social media app with advanced machine learning counts as that. china should be allowed to produce our widgets and mind its place, we can't allow a communist country and a potential global competitor to America to advance past that.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by arroz »

trasz wrote: post #411
plonk wrote: post #312

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> Two out of those three countries have never invaded outside countries If you consider Taiwan a country, that's technically true but misleading. China would have invaded long ago if the US weren't capable or (claiming to be) willing to defend it.

[citation needed]. US claims that’s true, but everyone who remembers Iraq knows US loves a good lie. China, on the other hand, explicitly declares they won’t invade. China also doesn’t have much to gain by invading, and everything to lose.

sorry but you sound like a wumao

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by Spooky23 »

tablespoon wrote: post #474
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

The issue is the data practices and propaganda capability. TikTok is supposedly a threat because Chicoms, but Facebook has no problem selling access to Russian influence operations.

Maybe the issue is abusive social networks hoovering up data with no controls and no regulation.

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Post by Schroedingersat »

8organicbits wrote: post #424
Schroedingersat wrote: post #350

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For messaging, Matrix has solved almost all of the problems you're claiming are insurmountable. Key management can be assisted with m out of n type secret sharing, or we just treat people like responsible adults, and if they lose their keys, then tough, those messages are gone now. For loopholes, the solution is to just not believe the bullshit. Have a very high standard of evidence required and/or require fully info…

Not insurmountable, just very expensive. You're describing a worse user experience too. Matrix probably isn't a good example. That's an impressive project with great developers. Most companies don't have equivalent staff, nor the budget to hire. > publicly sharing all code that touches it That's a huge request.

If an industry has proven repeatedly they can't be trusted not to stalk people and lie about it followed by being recklessly irresponsible with data and lying about breaches, then it's the bare minimum that should be enforced.

It would also encourage the innovation that you're so keen on because users wouldn't be trapped and you couldn't sit on one feature forever. You'd have to have an ongoing value proposition like every other vocation in all of history.

Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by encoderer »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

China is owned by a murderous, oppressive, genocidal regime.

There is no equivalence with western governments.

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Post by [deleted] »

tablespoon wrote: post #474
snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

> The problem should be that the data is collected and provided to the government whenever they want - not that it's not the Chinese government. We had this discussion after the Snowden leaks and nothing changed whatsoever. Back then it was the US government and the US gov had the chance to change the rules so this could not happen. Now they're up in arms because other governments do the exact same thing. It's really…

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Re: FCC: TikTok is unacceptable security risk and should be removed from app stores

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Post by chaostheory »

snehk wrote: post #10

I don't have a horse in this race at all, but the annoying part is that the same rules don't get applied across the board. Everything they're accusing TikTok of - from data harvesting to the government having access to said data - is true for western companies as well and that should be the problem. Not the fact that the data is now in the hands of the Chinese but that the data is being collected at all provided to t…

The difference is that we’ll probably be in a Cold War with China soon.
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