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The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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doyougnu was previously running NixOS on a Macbook so their bar for "working" is probably much lower than a normal person's. I'm on Windows, but if a Linux could give me reliable power management I would switch in a heartbeat. I don't know what it would take to have sensible power management on Linux without major issues.

Try Pop OS.

On System76...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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What are the constraints that are blocking wider EU availability? Right now, in Europe it's only available in a handful of countries (5 of 27). I'm in Spain, and I see I can spec a perfect machine and get it delivered just over the border in France, but I can't get the same thing delivered here just a couple of hours away, which is very surprising! My understanding was the single market & customs union etc should mak…

I'll copy paste a comment I made here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31096793 but I'm also guessing logistics. They gave a IMO good overview of the difficulties of selling to a new country in a previous post : > With our supply improving, you may be wondering when you can order a laptop if you’re outside of the US and Canada. We selected and are bringing up our worldwide warehousing and fulfillment partner, whi…

I'd say they need none of that. Not only is barely anything of that a legal requirement in the EU, it's also a waste of money and resources to set this up in every country when you're mainly addressing pro users and tinkerers.

I bought & imported a Supernote e-ink tablet from China the other day. The manufacturer offers none of the things mentioned above, heck their support team barely speaks English (but god knows they're trying!). Still everyone on Reddit loves them because they 1) produce a killer product, 2) provide great support when needed (e.g. send you a replacement or fix bugs), and 3) respond to community requests and regularly roll out software updates with fantastic new features.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I'm now waiting for over a year for this laptop to be available in my country. Would still really like to order one, but my patience is running out, don't have a laptop currently. EDIT: I sound very pissed off. I know that it's hard to ship to lots of countries, it's just frustrating for me to not even have an estimation. Will I be able to buy it in 3 or 6 months? Or does it take another year? no idea.

If you're fine with import tax and an American keyboard, there are services [0] that provide you with an American address and send any packets that arrive there to you via international shipping. [0]: https://www.myus.com/

I even want an US-Layout, so that's fine.

Wouldn't even have to buy it from the US. Framework sells their laptops in Germany, which is right next to me.

But that means that I have to ship the laptop back to Germany for warranty-related stuff etc.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Will all software shipped with the hardware when ordered with GNU/Linux be Free or will there be non-Free software such as the BIOS/UEFI? EDIT: I just realized that you cannot order this laptop with GNU/Linux pre installed. I was mistaken.

We've seen distro preference be too broad to make pre-loading efficient. Instead, we ship DIY Edition with no OS and publish guides for how to install and optimize the most popular distros. Our embedded controller firmware is open (see https://github.com/FrameworkComputer/EmbeddedController ), and we're working with some community members on attempting a coreboot port.

> distro preference be too broad to make pre-loading efficient

Others seem to manage by just having one or two pre-install options. Maybe you could do that too?

> Our embedded controller firmware is open

That's good, but do you also ensure that it _works_? There's way too much works-on-windows-and-halfway-on-Linux firmware out there. At least it _can_ be fixed, but being open doesn't mean that it necessarily _will_.

What support do you provide for Linux users?

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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besides the fact that "retina display" is a marketing term invented by Apple, I don't really see what the big deal is. I have pretty good vision and I don't notice individual pixels on my 1080p screen. More pixels means more load on the GPU.

For some people, High-DPI displays are the type of upgrade that you don't notice until you've been using it for a while and have to switch back to the old technology. I was also fine with lower resolutions for years because that was the only option. After using high-DPI displays for a couple years, I can't stand working on old low-DPI monitors for long periods of time. It's similar to how we were all happy with our m…

Yeah, this is my biggest gripe about System76 right now. They _used_ to have HiDPI options, but they all seem to have disappeared. :(

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I wondered this too, but they will need a way to be able to plug the same Mainboard into a new chassis such that the Expansion Cards work correctly, or else design a new Mainboard with increased size (or I guess longer Expansion Cards, but that seems silly).

Of course (?) they need to build a larger motherboard. I'd be really tempted to buy a 15" model especially with a touchpad with 3 hardware buttons (I'm not considering any laptop without them) and a keyboard without numberpad (very important but a little less than the hw buttons.)

I can imagine chassis designs that use the same Mainboard but move the Expansion Card slots out. It would also be much more in keeping with the ethos of the product and company to use exactly the same Mainboard in every device.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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Desktop Linux was historically meant as opposed to server. Plus, most actual desk tops today feature laptops. So still a desktop use case: it's just not in "tower" or "mini-tower" or "all-in-one" form.

Linux on a desktop is really quite rock solid (caveat assuming you do research if you are too cutting edge on hardware). Linux in laptops are not as good on battery life and 4k external monitor support has issues (though less so if wayland works on your hardware). The two workarounds they mention for Ubuntu on their page are adding a kernel option to improve suspend battery life, and adding a line in the alsa conf to…

> caveat assuming you do research if you are too cutting edge on hardware).

Or just buy Linux hardware with Linux pre-installed, with great support for it...

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I'm definitely a fan of the Framework, but I'm not a customer yet. They just don't differentiate enough for me yet. Perhaps in the future they'll branch out a little bit more by offering things like a touchpad with real buttons, a non-chiclet keyboard, a USB module that combines multiple type-A ports and a microsd reader on the same module, etc.

Re: The new and upgraded Framework Laptop

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I recently bought a framework laptop for a daily driver when I'm not on my desktop. For context I was running NixOS on an old 2014 macbook air, and I work on the glasgow haskell compiler in my day job so I do a lot of CPU heavy tasks. I've got to say, as long as these things are being produced I'll never go back. They are just too good and I cannot recommend them highly enough. One of the things that didn't occur to…

Don't most laptops with type-c power inputs support charging through any of them? My Asus does.
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