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Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by jstx1 »

birthday wrote: post #513
jstx1 wrote: post #489

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> I genuinely believe many people who prefer working in an office versus at home have unfulfilling social lives or bad home lives. The social dynamics, competition, in physical offices fills the void in their lives. You're implying that this is a bad thing and I don't get why it should be.

I think his point is that the solution to the problem is not to go back to the office, but to try develop a better social life outside of work. It's the "root cause" fix.

That argument only works if you make the value judgment that socializing outside the office is better or of higher quality somehow.

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Post by barry-cotter »

ben_w wrote: post #496
barry-cotter wrote: post #297

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Your lawyer is your agent. A lawyer representing a group of which you are a part is representing the group, and your interests and the groups can diverge.

That divergence can happen with a personal lawyer, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principal–agent_problem The reason an employee may want to join a union is because this divergence has already happened between the employee and the employer.

The union is also a worker’s agent. It’s monitoring problems all the way down.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by odessacubbage »

sinsterizme wrote: post #498
malwarebytess wrote: post #483

Warning: Hot Take. I genuinely believe many people who prefer working in an office versus at home have unfulfilling social lives or bad home lives. The social dynamics, competition, in physical offices fills the void in their lives. Also seems like most of the people clamoring for a return to the office are also climbers & middle managers. For some work a physical presence is required not just preferable, but for mos…

I definitely fall into this camp. I’m introverted, so the forced social interaction at work was perfect for me and sufficient to keep me socially gratified. I’ve tried to make up for it in the pandemic by being more socially active but it hasn’t been working. I’ll definitely be looking for an in-office position soon since some companies are returning. I think my mental health will greatly recover.

have you tried looking for a co-working space? i've known freelancers who pooled together for a shared studio space for similar reasons.

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by jxramos »

thr0wawayf00 wrote: post #28

Good for him. These companies touting their solutions for creating a more connected world can't have it both ways. Apple was able to ship the M1 and roll out new iterations of many other offerings since the pandemic hit. They're just fine. Apple didn't collapse since the pandemic hit, and the flexibility offered by remote work is far more valuable to lots of people than the loss of in-person collaboration opportuniti…

It may not have been too visible to the outside but Apple never really halted operations as urgently as other companies did. They kind of took a more skeptical approach and kept people coming into the office and taking up the mask and temperature reading protocol among other precautions from what I understand.

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Post by 8organicbits »

ineedasername wrote: post #70

I'm trying to hire for a position right now and it has dragged on for months for two reasons: 1) WFH is now limited to 1 day per week, and a 3 month probationary period where new hires don't even get that. 2) Salary. It's still a job seeker's market and my workplace is not keeping pace. It's spec'ed for 3 years of experience but salary is about the median for a new graduate w/o professional experience. I'm happy to t…

You should resync with HR on that salary. If it's below market, the company is losing money while it's vacant, and your not able to fill it then you have proof the salary or other benefits are too low. Sort of an efficient market theory: if it was a good offer, someone would take it.

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Post by casefields »

Simon_O_Rourke wrote: post #463

The whole reckoning behind this is not organizational but aesthetic. How does it look if Apple spend a billion bucks on an office, and it's half empty because Bob from Oakland prefers spending his working day at home in a bathrobe and slippers. The work, more than likely, gets done just the same, but it's all about appearances.

Apple has plenty of bland nondescript office buildings they can close in the area and move those employees there.

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Post by ajb »

daniel_reetz wrote: post #253
ludjer wrote: post #214

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There is very little physical interactions when designing hardware these days. You do most of the work and CAD software and simulations.

There's a ton of lab work, reverse engineering, validation, prototyping, measurement, the list goes on forever. CAD and simulation are just the beginning.

It depends. Some fabless chip design work could be done at home. A dept I worked at did everything in simulation. But another dept did prototyping on FPGAs and would have at struggled -everyone would at least have had to take home a board

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Post by me_me_mu_mu »

aiisjustanif wrote: post #384
me_me_mu_mu wrote: post #325

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I totally get that but come on.. if you can get into FANG you literally don’t have any job security fears. Don’t mention edge cases that may affect a few people but for the vast majority? Please.. the most pampered group of workers in tech. I would understand if this was non tech, and I’m not familiar with outside of US, but this is a non issue. Btw speaking as a full time remote employee.

IT workers at FAANG is the edge case tbf. I get that you bring it up because of the article, but even the the average FAANG employees can spend over a month interviewing.

True, but everyone has to interview. That being said, interviewing with FANG/unicorn startups on your resume basically makes job hunting EZ mode.

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Post by justinclift »

malwarebytess wrote: post #483

Warning: Hot Take. I genuinely believe many people who prefer working in an office versus at home have unfulfilling social lives or bad home lives. The social dynamics, competition, in physical offices fills the void in their lives. Also seems like most of the people clamoring for a return to the office are also climbers & middle managers. For some work a physical presence is required not just preferable, but for mos…

Alternatively, some of us (well, me at least) view "in the office" work as a way to help achieve work/personal-life separation.

Saying this after many, many years of remote working, where the boundaries between work and personal life blurred so far they became practically indistinguishable. (yay 24/7 "DevOps" culture :/)

Re: Apple's director of machine learning resigns due to return to office work

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Post by sinsterizme »

odessacubbage wrote: post #523
sinsterizme wrote: post #498

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I definitely fall into this camp. I’m introverted, so the forced social interaction at work was perfect for me and sufficient to keep me socially gratified. I’ve tried to make up for it in the pandemic by being more socially active but it hasn’t been working. I’ll definitely be looking for an in-office position soon since some companies are returning. I think my mental health will greatly recover.

have you tried looking for a co-working space? i've known freelancers who pooled together for a shared studio space for similar reasons.

I’ve tried it out, it’s not the same but it helps a bit. I appreciate the suggestion!
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