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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The only silly argument I hear is when people think any discussion of censorship must involve the first amendment, or that complaining about censorship implies being forced to use a product. If I go to a restaurant and eat some food and complain that food tasted awful, I am not saying that the restaurant should be forced by the government to make good food nor am I saying that everyone is forced to eat at that restau…

The First Amendment is always relevant to cases of free expression in the United States. It is what gives YouTube the right to control what is on their platform.

No it's not always relevant, in fact it's mostly a distraction that does nothing to contribute to the substance of the discussion. There is almost nothing of value to be gained by pointing out that Youtube is a private company that has the right to censor or serve any content it so chooses anymore than it's relevant to point out that a restaurant has the right serve shitty food and if you don't like it you can go to another restaurant.

Everyone already knows this... so instead of constantly bringing it up to make ourselves sound smart, let's instead actually discuss something more meaningful, such as whether the food served by the restaurant really is shitty? What reasons might a restaurant have for serving shitty food, do they perhaps gain financially from it? Would it be more effective to work with the restaurant to get them to stop serving shitty food, or would it be more effective to open up a restaurant next door that doesn't serve shitty food? What are the trade-offs?

Those are more interesting topics rather than pointing out the fact that a restaurant has the right to serve shitty food and you can't force them not to.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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post #511
post #508

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The only silly argument I hear is when people think any discussion of censorship must involve the first amendment, or that complaining about censorship implies being forced to use a product. If I go to a restaurant and eat some food and complain that food tasted awful, I am not saying that the restaurant should be forced by the government to make good food nor am I saying that everyone is forced to eat at that restau…

The First Amendment is always relevant to cases of free expression in the United States. It is what gives YouTube the right to control what is on their platform.

It’s also a statement of domestic values and proof that YouTube’s conduct is un-American.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Why would you imagine that anyone has a right to have their content on youtube. How is it in any way overreach. Surely its users can vote with their fingertips for a different site if they have a problem with it.

Users have just as much right to complain about policies they find ridiculous as they do to leave.

And the rest of us are entitled to not find those complaints interesting.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The avg. American reads at a middle school level. Many read at an elementary school level, meaning ~1/4 of America will take this video as fact. Couple this with an algorithm that will only feed you things you like and you have a recipe for disaster. 100% unrestricted freedom of speech only works with a highly educated populate which America does not have.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The extent of the "censorship" is getting ridiculous. It is an overreach of the platforms.

The incredibly dangerous outcome of all this is precisely what foolish commentators are suggesting: alternatives will be built, that themselves will become echo chambers.

If you disagree with certain ideas, you have to fight it in the open. That's how we get a big tent with general consensus across key issues, and avoid parallel universes of polar opposite information. The end result of all this is just going to be a truly Balkanised / multipolar world, but instead of geographical boundaries, it's all going to be in the mind. Your neighbour and you could have totally different ideas about certain issues - because you are consuming and contributing to totally different sets of information. And that will lead to immense physical conflict in the future.

Very worrying times right now.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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The avg. American reads at a middle school level. Many read at an elementary school level, meaning ~1/4 of America will take this video as fact. Couple this with an algorithm that will only feed you things you like and you have a recipe for disaster. 100% unrestricted freedom of speech only works with a highly educated populate which America does not have.

Sounds like the solution is better education, not censorship.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Most things aren't clear cut, and there have been many times in history where widely held beliefs have been proven largely false. If you'll recall there was a multi year period of mass belief that the president colluded with Russians to steal the election. On the back of very little evidence, other than news heads talking about it and "he said, she said" There was also a multi year investigation that found nothing, a…

>If you'll recall there was a multi year period of mass belief that the president colluded with Russians to steal the election. On the back of very little evidence, other than news heads talking about it and "he said, she said" >There was also a multi year investigation that found nothing, and actually was able to largely disprove documents that helped to kick off the speculation. This is simply untrue: https://www.n…

"Ties" are irrelevant. The question was whether the president colluded with Russia. Unless you believe him to be a genius or master of stealth, I can assure you 4 years of all media investigations and official investigations would have uncovered anything compelling were it to exist.

Also, you can tie most government officials to Russia in some capacity. Everybody in politics is well connected.

It was a widely spread conspiracy theory with 0 evidence given a veil of credibility because many talking heads brought it up as if there were something tangible backing it.

Just because many people talked about and bought into it doesn't invalidate that it was a conspiracy theory

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Can you name some more examples? I’m trying to understand…

- Why Stacey Abrams is still saying she won. (NYT) https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/28/magazine/stac... - Abrams defends lack of concession after 2018 gubernatorial loss (CNN) https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/03/politics/stacey-abrams-conces... - Stacey Abrams is running for Georgia governor in 2022 (AJC.com) "Abrams lost to Kemp by less than 1.4 percentage points in 2018, the closest Georgia gubernatorial elec…

Exactly. Georgia election system in particular is proven to be corrupt. Maybe Abrams is right? From 2020 a whistleblower say he was paid to ballot traffick ballots illegally to drop boxes

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/huge-georgia-ballot...

and videos coupled cell phone data show many other traffickers going in between democrat NGOs and drop boxes. Abrams run some of these NGOs.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/01/new-video-voterga-r...

This is an example of us living under Marcusas repressive tolerance where people with the correct ideology can make claims with no evidence, while the other side is censored and persecuted even when coming with concrete evidence. It’s a Mao style cultural revolution. For Bernie, orange man and many other candidates we have proof of rampant cheating.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Because that institution then worked another four times without incident. The institution, as flawed as it is, still kept transferring power peacefully. In 2020's case, there was no dodginess, but nevertheless one candidate would rather discredit the institution rather than admit he lost, and -there is nothing to replace it with-. We've had 250 years of peaceful transfers of power because of this system; without a un…

There was plenty of dodginess in 2020, not the least of which was States executive branches unilaterally making changes to their electoral process rather than going through the Constitutional mandated legislative branch. Many of those changes have since been thrown out by State level supreme courts for being unconstitutional: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/28/pennsylva... But judges don’t have time m…

> ...States executive branches unilaterally making changes to their electoral process.... Many of those changes have since been thrown out by State level supreme courts for being unconstitutional: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/28/pennsylva...

That's a ruling by a single state court that's going to be immediately appealed, and it's of a law passed by the republican-held legislative branch.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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post #428

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Because that institution then worked another four times without incident. The institution, as flawed as it is, still kept transferring power peacefully. In 2020's case, there was no dodginess, but nevertheless one candidate would rather discredit the institution rather than admit he lost, and -there is nothing to replace it with-. We've had 250 years of peaceful transfers of power because of this system; without a un…

There was plenty of dodginess in 2020, not the least of which was States executive branches unilaterally making changes to their electoral process rather than going through the Constitutional mandated legislative branch. Many of those changes have since been thrown out by State level supreme courts for being unconstitutional: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/28/pennsylva... But judges don’t have time m…

Uh, your own link - "The state’s Republican-controlled legislature passed the law establishing no-excuse mail-in voting for all voters in 2019 with bipartisan support". That's not the executive branch unilaterally anything.

But, perhaps I should clarify then, rather than the abstract "dodginess", I'll instead say "uncertainty as to whether votes were cast legally, and counted correctly".

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