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Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by rcpt » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:00 PM UTC

itg wrote: post #224

goodells wrote: post #54

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Yep. The midlevels are supported by automatic protocols in Epic (e.g. sepsis, DKA -> put these dozens of orders in with 5 clicks) that physicians decide on and approve. They also rely more heavily on imaging instead of a physical exam and history. When unsure, they can consult a physician, even a specialist. It’s a very polarizing topic in medicine that patients generally aren’t privy to. Especially for resident phys…

I'm having a hard time understanding why they would be bitter. Residency is temporary and a part of the training process. Once completed, doctors will make 2x-3x+ compared to midlevels for the rest of their careers.

You can read r/noctor if you want examples

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by School-Cotton » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:08 PM UTC

indigodaddy wrote: post #511

dpflan wrote: post #444

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Deep Blue preceded this. They had specialty equipment for crunching chess moves. Really excellent hype machine. I liked the documentary about it: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0379296/

Was Deep Blue/Watson basically the starting point of AI/ML, or had that already been happening earlier or concurrently?

Deep Blue and Watson aren’t the same thing. Deep Blue was a chess computer from the 90s — and it was not the first chess computer, so regardless of whether you consider computer chess to be part of AI, the answer is no.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by [deleted] » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:08 PM UTC

indigodaddy wrote: post #511

dpflan wrote: post #444

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Deep Blue preceded this. They had specialty equipment for crunching chess moves. Really excellent hype machine. I liked the documentary about it: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0379296/

Was Deep Blue/Watson basically the starting point of AI/ML, or had that already been happening earlier or concurrently?

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Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by cuteboy19 » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:10 PM UTC

indigodaddy wrote: post #511

dpflan wrote: post #444

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Deep Blue preceded this. They had specialty equipment for crunching chess moves. Really excellent hype machine. I liked the documentary about it: https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0379296/

Was Deep Blue/Watson basically the starting point of AI/ML, or had that already been happening earlier or concurrently?

Deep Blue isn't ML at all, it's just a purpose built system for solving chess. It doesn't learn anything as such and just a fancy brute forcing machine that (smartly) goes through all possible chess moves and selects the best possible tree of outcomes. The work on actual ML happened independently of this.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by mrtksn » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:14 PM UTC

digisign wrote: post #505

mrtksn wrote: post #497

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I don't know but my manager was a non-technical guy with passion for fashion and even his shirts weren't as nice!

Unfortunately, still don't know what you're talking about. Probably because I don't have expertise in the area. Am imaging some kind of white-collar business shirt that's... platinum plated? If the design is not extravagant, how would anyone know?

Nothing exotic but extremely good quality and attention to details that you can recognise from distance. No button looks off the shelf, no detail is cheap out. The cut matches the body perfectly and elegantly and the designer and manufacturer definitely went the extra mile even if it wasn't the easiest or cheapest thing to do. Maybe cutting in straight lines would be the easiest way to do it but if the design requires a slight curve, they wouldn't shy away from it. The more you look at it the more details you notice that someone must have agonised over it even if it wouldn't make any functional difference. Just because it's not visible all the time, doesn't mean that can't have a nice design, for example inside the collar has also a seperate design.

I think @sgt101 is onto something.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by prepend » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:14 PM UTC

mrtksn wrote: post #408

tekstar wrote: post #260

I worked for a large e-commerce company. I wanted to investigate putting all our support data into Watson and see what sort of recommendations it could provide, maybe a sort of auto-suggestion to help our customers. Three really funny points stand out from the experience: 1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was s…

The company I worked for used some Oracle tech and I was trying to get some high level information about a product but their website kept requesting my e-mail just to show me some documentation. Once I provided them with my e-mail, I started receiving "You must take us to your leader" messages in a tone as if I was their employee and they were commanding me to take them to my CEO. I can't imagine myself chasing the C…

My first Oracle experience was similar. Back in the 90s, I was tasked with replacing our old mssql6.5 generic custom built rack log server with something stronger as the product was successful and we had money.

Oracle put me in touch with their eval solutions people who took all my info on number of users, transactions, size, etc and came back with an estimate of a $2M Sun+Oracle box. I told them that the current solution ran on like $10k of licenses and hardware and they revised the spec down to $250k.

They were totally clueless but projected absolute competence.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by cuteboy19 » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:16 PM UTC

morpheuskafka wrote: post #436

As someone doing a CS degree now, I seem to be the only one who doesn't want to have anything on my resume to do with "AI", blockchain, ML, NFT, chatbots, etc... all I see is overhyped product after product, one-size-fits all solutions that frustrate customers and create problems for humans to clean up, hugely valued companies that have very little real improvement over conventional technology, etc. An "AI chatbot" i…

A chatbot should be a search engine in disguise, with more focus on context. Anything else is a downgrade from a normal web interface

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by throwaheyy » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:17 PM UTC

fphhotchips wrote: post #510

throwaheyy wrote: post #452

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Yeah, the whole culture there (and other places like Oracle) is all about implanting mindshare at the decision-maker level and driving unilateral adoption from the top down. Pursuing such an approach is highly revealing because if the technology actually worked , that approach would not be necessary. Once they’re “in” at the decision-maker level, they can continue to milk the organisation with long-duration support a…

> Pursuing such an approach is highly revealing because if the technology actually worked, that approach would not be necessary. This is, sadly, untrue. Enterprise reps do this because on the whole, it doesn't matter if you have the best technology - if the other guy is successful at the CxO level, the customer will go their way.

Correct - not saying that the best technology assures success, but that without working tech, marketing to the CxO level is the sole viable option.

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by fsloth » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:18 PM UTC

morpheuskafka wrote: post #436

As someone doing a CS degree now, I seem to be the only one who doesn't want to have anything on my resume to do with "AI", blockchain, ML, NFT, chatbots, etc... all I see is overhyped product after product, one-size-fits all solutions that frustrate customers and create problems for humans to clean up, hugely valued companies that have very little real improvement over conventional technology, etc. An "AI chatbot" i…

Most solutions to real-world problems offer tons of deliciously complicated CS issues to chew through.

Just find problems to solve that are interesting to you, hype is irrelevant in finding a worthwhile thing to do (i.e. that a thing is hyped does not make it worse than something else - it does not make it better, either, though).

Re: IBM’s Watson Health is sold off in parts

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Post by Traster » Sun, Jan 23, 2022, 10:22 PM UTC

tekstar wrote: post #260

I worked for a large e-commerce company. I wanted to investigate putting all our support data into Watson and see what sort of recommendations it could provide, maybe a sort of auto-suggestion to help our customers. Three really funny points stand out from the experience: 1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was s…

>1) To apply for Watson access you needed to show C-level approval, so our CEO put his name and phone number on the application (trying Watson was somewhat his idea). A few months later, an IBM marketing team called HIS CELL and asked for ME. Imagine how it felt to have the CEO walk up to me, deadpan hand me his personal iphone and say "It's for you."..

This sounds like the biggest power move you could ever pull.