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Re: President Daniels responds to Chinese student's harassment

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Post by mytailorisrich »

gtirloni wrote: post #312
mytailorisrich wrote: post #287

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Discussing politics is always getting into argument territory and always best avoided on social occasions, especially if you do not know the opinions of the people around you. For instance, I (in Europe) don't " lightly suggest " things in the US are difficult when it comes to guns/Trump/abortion/etc to American colleagues because these are sensitive political topics and nothing good can come out of that. You mention…

You're imagining wrong and assuming a lot of things. "Lightly suggesting" something is "difficult" is a conversation starter. Not arguing. Maybe we're getting into "cultural differences" area and we should probably agree to disagree.

I did not say that you were arguing. I just pointed out that you were starting a conversation that could lead nowhere pleasant for anyone so your guests probably wisely stirred away from it.

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Post by Nevermark »

criddell wrote: post #408
merpnderp wrote: post #270

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It does at least set the stage to expel them if the behavior continues. Although it appears you are correct, this is way too little way too late.

I think this is an opportunity to raise the prominence of the issue. I wish Purdue had explicitly mentioned the Tiananmen Massacre in this notice. We should talk about it. Our diplomats should be applying pressure around Peng Shuai's status. I'd love to see a debate in Congress about our participation in the Olympics and what that says about our support of this regime.

I think it is better they didn't.

Students are not being (considered for) expelled for their views of the Tiananmen Massacre one way or another. Taking any stance on that, in this context, would muddy those waters and make Prudue look like it was doing a political purge.

The problem that produced the statement was harassment. Not political views.

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Post by Bayesian_bro »

jvanderbot wrote: post #245
Bayesian_bro wrote: post #215

This is just an example of the different ethics between China and America. America is very deontological in terms of FREEDOM. We love freedom above everything else. China is very consequentialist, they care about prosperity and success over everything else. I'm a pretty red blooded American (I drive a black smoke diesel truck and have enough firearms and ammo to make it pretty far in the apocalypse). I wonder what et…

I liked your take on this situation and the tradeoffs, but please note I'm a red blooded American that just ordered a tesla, doesn't own guns, and couldn't tell you who won the Super Bowl last year.

My backstory is that I used to live in SF for 10 years before this pandemic. We moved to a rural western area because of the pandemic. I need the diesel truck to tow trailers.

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Post by chmod600 »

guipsp wrote: post #331
NikolaeVarius wrote: post #301

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Name a single one

https://www.kjrh.com/news/local-news/oklahoma-lawmaker-propo...

Controlling how classroom time is managed is not suppression of speech. The teacher can't spend the whole day preaching the gospel, either, and that doesn't amount to suppression of religion.

It may not be the best example of the U.S. remembering its failures, but it's nowhere close to what China does to force people to forget.

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Post by hectord »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #325
throwaway894345 wrote: post #89

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Eh, talk is cheap. Glad they’re speaking out against China, but as far as I know it costs them nothing to do so and they stand to gain some positive PR.

I assume university leaders’ pay is correlated to a university’s budget, which is correlated to international students paying full price, which is correlated to students from China due to their large numbers. https://www.propublica.org/article/even-on-us-campuses-china... > At Brandeis University near Boston, Chinese students mobilized last year to sabotage an online panel about atrocities against Uyghurs in the Xinj…

The number of Chinese students is already already in decline for various reasons [1]. It means less money for the American universities. It also means less tensions between students in the future. I don't think it's good news for the US though.

[1] https://www.visualcapitalist.com/international-students-impa...

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Post by netcan »

yholio wrote: post #198

It's a very weak response from Purdue. Zhihao Kong was bullied and followed around on campus for commemorating the victims of the Tiananmen masacre. He was called a CIA agent by fellow Purdue students and was reported to the Chinese state, who attempted to silence him by forcefully leaning on his family in Hong Kong. The identities of the bullies is well known and the extent of abuse is borderline criminal. There sho…

I think part of the problem is that the "quarrel" is with the CCP itself. Students get into a political argument. Maybe it went over a line, into harassment.

The point at which it becomes beyond the pale, as Kong himself stated" was when the pro-ccp students "weaponized" the CCP/state. IE, called chinese secret police and arranged for an intimidation visit to his parents.

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Post by simonh »

dirtyid wrote: post #502
oxfeed65261 wrote: post #381

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Perdue President Mitch Daniels said “Those seeking to deny those rights to others, let alone to collude with foreign governments in repressing them, will need to pursue their education elsewhere,” but there is no indication that the students have been expelled. The statement is bizarre and nonsensical if the students are not expelled.

At the end of the day, it's a stretch to assume the students did anything other than wield their rights to free speech on an American (or other western) campus. Anti CCP activities, on campus or elsewhere in west makes it way through PRC media bubbles with of millions of eyeballs willing to do the dirty work, frequently within PRC soil. All it takes is for a post to trend. Freedom of speech in west =/= freedom from c…

There’s no assuming going on. These students explicitly threatened reporting him to the Chinese government, and did so using their registered accounts in online chat so we know exactly who it was.

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Post by dionidium »

BurningFrog wrote: post #422
colinmhayes wrote: post #380

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Because the defendants choose to forgo their trial. Chinese defendants are not given the option.

They choose that, because trial sentences are 2-4 times longer than plea deals. You can choose to go to trial, but if you do, you will be severely punished for that choice. This is one major reason so many innocent people are jailed in the US.

A vanishingly small percentage of these defendants are innocent. Prison reform cannot proceed rationally unless everybody involved admits that nearly all the people who go to prison did indeed commit a serious crime.

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Post by CWuestefeld »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #351
throwawaylinux wrote: post #308

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> There are a large number of bills in US state legislatures aimed at suppressing honest and uncensored discussion of the Tulsa race massacre. Which bills are those?

Let me google that for you https://duckduckgo.com/?q=legislature+bill+crt&t=h_&ia=web

Huh?

How is disallowing in public schools the use of a particular instructional approach (not discussion of the topic as such) equivalent to "discussion of the Tulsa race massacre"?

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