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Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

sieabah wrote: post #517
ddingus wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"forced" It is still a big Internet out there. All it takes is an up and coming platform to steer people elsewhere. YT is big, and yeah they will carry on via inertia, but for things like news, organizing, commentary? Yeah, people will seek it elsewhere.

You have never dealt with bandwidth costs for video, have you.

Nope, but they are off the charts!!

Others will figure this out. The value is high enough for users to fund it. I would for sure. In fact, funding that via small money from people is likely the best model. AD driven stuff has too many conflicts of interest.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

ddingus wrote: post #520
root_axis wrote: post #518

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Check the comment section of that video.

For what? Burden is on you here, due to your position in the conversation. What are we looking for? Why does it matter?

The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

ddingus wrote: post #519
root_axis wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you can present evidence that YouTube is deleting comments that criticize the removal of the dislike button then I'll retract my skepticism of your comment and endorse it myself. From my perspective, there is a least considerable evidence that what you're saying is not true, consider for just one example, the entire comment section on the very video this thread is about.

Well, there we go! Seriously, and with due respect, I do not need your endorsement. In the court of public opinion, it's all about the passers by and how this conversation plays out over an extended amount of time. You have put your thoughts here, as have I and we both get to do that! Bonus: Seems a reasonable conversation. I like those. My perspective is that of a student of corruption, these general dynamics over a…

You've written a lot of vague platitudes about corruption, but have offered no evidence to support your speculation.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

root_axis wrote: post #523
ddingus wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, there we go! Seriously, and with due respect, I do not need your endorsement. In the court of public opinion, it's all about the passers by and how this conversation plays out over an extended amount of time. You have put your thoughts here, as have I and we both get to do that! Bonus: Seems a reasonable conversation. I like those. My perspective is that of a student of corruption, these general dynamics over a…

You've written a lot of vague platitudes about corruption, but have offered no evidence to support your speculation.

I don't need to.

The technical arguments are not sufficiently compelling to undermine the entirely obvious transition to a more big media friendly model in progress.

Further, I'm on the solid majority opinion on all this.

To get past that requires proponents show people need this to be done, they are better off, and that somehow they will be better informed, see more value.

Not gonna happen.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by sieabah »

kazinator wrote: post #273
cbozeman wrote: post #235

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> YT is too vastly big for that. No it's not, it's our society that's fucked. It's our CEOs' legal requirement of fiduciary responsibility that causes these problems. YouTube was 10.9% of Google's revenue for the year 2020, with something around $19,770,000,000 of income. How many employees could Google hire to manually investigate and take action against users? Even 10% of that income to address this problem would h…

Suppose a person hired by Google is paid $60 per hour, and can review 20 video comments in that time with a reasonable thoughtfulness. So every human review costs Google $3. The entire revenue of $20B could be blown through on reviewing 6B comments. If you want to keep this activity to 10% of revenue, that caps you to 600M comments. > No it's not And I specifically said the site operators; people hired by Google to m…

> Suppose a person hired by Google is paid $60 per hour, and can review 20 video comments in that time with a reasonable thoughtfulness. So every human review costs Google $3.

You do know most moderation is contracted for much less than $60/hour. Potentially to offshore corporations paying less that US minimum wage.

It's doable, but an uncomfortable reality.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by chongli »

bellyfullofbac wrote: post #502
chongli wrote: post #403

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Why would anyone join that campaign? That would only hurt the creators they follow and damage their recommendations.

If there's enough traction, the creators would start complaining to YouTube, and they'd have to rethink it. Also it would confuse creators: is this video shit, or is it the campaign?

Creators are already complaining to YouTube. So far they aren’t listening.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by ddingus »

root_axis wrote: post #522
ddingus wrote: post #520

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what? Burden is on you here, due to your position in the conversation. What are we looking for? Why does it matter?

The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.

Yeah?

I see 'em. Have seen them elsewhere too. I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you?

Now, before we go farther down this road, there is a lot going on. YT, and others, are doing many things to nudge, bias, favor, some speech over other speech. Not all of those make sense. Some are offensive. Others make sense.

These actions in general, and the low transparency related to them, as well as some overt and excessive actions, bans, demonetization, etc... are very highly objectionable. That's where I am at on it.

And I'm going to stay there, until such time as the burden I put up thread is met in a compelling way.

Some are saying these things are just unfortunate artifacts from necessary actions, I do not agree.

Cheers, I've got other things to do, but I did enjoy this conversation.

You've the last word, and I'll read with interest.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by Mikho »

Before the dislikes purge I more or less had 80/20 proportion of interesting videos vs bad videos after I clicked to watch them. Dislikes highlighted bad videos and made the choice easier. After dislikes were removed the proportion flipped. Now 80% are bad videos and 20% interesting ones.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

ddingus wrote: post #527
root_axis wrote: post #522

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The entire comment section is full of comments criticizing the removal of the dislike button.

Yeah? I see 'em. Have seen them elsewhere too. I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you? Now, before we go farther down this road, there is a lot going on. YT, and others, are doing many things to nudge, bias, favor, some speech over other speech. Not all of those make sense. Some are offensive. Others make sense. These actions in general, and the low transparency related to them, as well a…

> I didn't see anyone saying ALL comments were being removed, did you?

It's very convenient for your argument that you can dismiss all the evidence that directly contradicts the claim as stated. Seems to me like this is made up outrage by somebody reading signs in tea leaves.

Re: YouTube deleting comments who criticize their hiding of the dislike count

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Post by root_axis »

ddingus wrote: post #524
root_axis wrote: post #523

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You've written a lot of vague platitudes about corruption, but have offered no evidence to support your speculation.

I don't need to. The technical arguments are not sufficiently compelling to undermine the entirely obvious transition to a more big media friendly model in progress. Further, I'm on the solid majority opinion on all this. To get past that requires proponents show people need this to be done, they are better off, and that somehow they will be better informed, see more value. Not gonna happen.

> I don't need to

Ok. Obviously you don't need to do anything, but presenting evidence for a claim when asked is a pretty basic standard for discussion around here. Peace out.

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