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Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by mynameisash »

tomp wrote: post #494
bloopernova wrote: post #436

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The various health authorities told people not to use masks at first because: Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment. The public was panic buying anything and everything. Remember empty grocery store shelves? Price gouging people who were hoarding all the hand sanitizer? When those circumstances changed, so did the advice. There's no one on earth who gets everything right first time, and thus…

So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie". That's what's making people lose trust in institutions.

> So basically you're saying "they lied but it's OK because it was a well-intentioned lie".

That's not at all what GP said. Try re-reading it:

>> health authorities told people not to use masks at first because ... Hospitals were in danger of running out of protective equipment.

That is in no way lying.

Re: Joe Rogan, confined to Spotify, is losing influence

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Post by PragmaticPulp »

dota_fanatic wrote: post #438
landonxjames wrote: post #392

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I came across a very thorough analysis of the Paul Saladino episode [0] the other day when I was researching him after a friend recommended his book. Seemed like he was cherry picking evidence pretty hard and that the majority of the evidence doesn't agree with his stance at all [0] https://www.biolayne.com/articles/research/paul-saladino-on-...

Was going to link this exact article, but you beat me to it. :) My biggest problem with Saladino's episode was that early in it became clear that he is a zealot, and almost by definition zealots are rarely generally "right" or "not pseudoscience" as GP claims in this specific case. Especially when their object of zealotry is an extremely complex field that we're only just beginning to understand. It's difficult to tr…

Saladino isn't so much a zealot as he is a salesman. He's building a personal brand and business around being the contrarian carnivore guy. He wants you to buy his books, buy his supplements (which cost as much as $68 per bottle for trivially cheap ingredients), and sign up for his newsletter so he can pitch you more stuff.

He may actually believe what he's pitching, but he's so drowning in financial conflicts of interest and personal brand-building that I don't think he could accept contradictory evidence from anyone. He only sees what he wants to see because that's how he makes his money and builds his fame.

It's fascinating to see him cited by the grandparent comment because Saladino is a notorious quack among the actual nutrition communities, including keto communities. He presents himself as a doctor but conveniently forgets to mention that he's a psychiatrist. He cherry-picks citations from papers that he knows listeners won't actually read and then presents them out of context.

And most of all, he sells his brand and products hard, which should be a huge red flag for anyone being delivered this uniquely contrarian information that defies mainstream medical science. It's fascinating that this person concluded he's an expert in the field simply because he was on the Joe Rogan podcast. I suppose that is the problem with the JRE podcast: Too many of the listeners think they're equipped to identify the real truth, while Joe Rogan serves up a steady diet of convincing quacks interleaved with actual experts.

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Post by thegrimmest »

krastanov wrote: post #472
bwship wrote: post #431

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Why is eating healthy and exercising expensive?

Google "food deserts". Some people have 3 jobs and depression: not much time for going to the gym and eating healthy. And do not be silly: healthy food is way more expensive per calory.

It's the calories that count for obesity, not the "healthiness". It's perfectly possible to maintain a healthy body weight eating chips and drinking soda. Time isn't a factor here, personal responsibility is.

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Post by manigandham »

ajkjk wrote: post #393
manigandham wrote: post #357

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He's had plenty of prominent leftist guests like Bernie Sanders, and most of his comedian and artist friends are left-leaning, and he leans left himself. How is this a gateway to the alt-right? At some point these accusations just become meaningless.

The claim isn't that he was a gateway to the alt-right _by having only a certain kind of guest_, or anything like that, so that's not really a counterargument.

I said him and his friends lean left too, so what else makes it a gateway? These claims are always vague and unfounded.

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Post by FillardMillmore »

ub99 wrote: post #429
kingofpandora wrote: post #414

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I don't have Spotify, but check if The Who Sell Out is there since that has ads in it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Who_Sell_Out

Pretty sure they used fake ads, but it’s a good precedent anyway. Edit: and yes the album is available on Spotify in full.

The whole album was supposed to be a play on a pirate radio station if memory serves, and a damn good one at that. Probably my favorite Who album honestly (besides Live at Leeds, of course).

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Post by incadenza »

noveltyaccount wrote: post #293
kbenson wrote: post #121

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He was given $100 million dollars up front to crash before his expiration date. Yes, that is a brilliant move.

wow, I never heard that figure, that is staggering IMO, I've never understood why Joe was famous, never got his appeal. Per WSJ, "The deal with Mr. Rogan is a multiyear licensing agreement for an amount of time that couldn’t be learned. It will likely be worth more than $100 million based on milestones and performance metrics, according to the person familiar." Wonder what those milestones are like and how important…

I don’t like Joe Rogan but his earlier episodes were my first introduction to real long form, off the cuff conversations that have become pretty common now. Even relatively recently, I watched the Bernie Sanders one and felt like I hadn’t really heard Bernie Sanders just have a conversation like that for a long period. Among others I know, that, at least used to, be the appeal.

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Post by jessaustin »

pandeiro wrote: post #411

Not surprised this degenerated immediately into a mass ranting session about pandemic science with pretty much the entire catalog of cognitive biases and logical fallacies on display. I guess that's interesting to some, from a sociological standpoint, but for me, there's more than enough of this on literally every other social media platform. I'm interested in a discussion about the actual dynamic of spotify vs youtu…

There is probably something to this analysis, particularly for new listeners. (Rogan might be big enough that new listeners are less important?) Spotify has chosen not to use these other platforms to the extent that it could use them. This is an example (perhaps the canonical one?) of Ben Thompson's "strategy tax". For an individual podcast, it would be better to have something on all platforms/protocols/modalities. They want to attract Youtube viewers as well as RSS subscribers as well as everyone else. A capitalist firm like Spotify that wants to make a little money every time anyone ever listens to anything is comfortable losing a bit on every show it produces, if it can convince investors that doing so could bring about their favored apocalypse of rent-seeking. Each show is taxed to benefit the firm's long-term strategy.

Spofity seems to have modeled its Rogan acquisition as a platform crossover event. Lots of loyal Rogan listeners had never installed a Spotify app, and now a certain percentage of those people have. However, the way Spofity have structured this, as a one-time thing in which Rogan no longer reaches other platforms in comparable ways, seems to limit the potential benefit of this maneuver.

The reason I no longer listen to Rogan's podcast is that it is no longer an actual podcast. My players are still pointed at his RSS feed, but that thing is dead. I have no interest in using special apps published by Spotify to listen to something that used to be available in the normal way. I realize that is a fairly odd preference, but it satisfies the categorical imperative. I'm not the only person who strongly prefers to listen in a particular way. Spofity's strategy is different from that of many patronage-supported podcasts, which publish e.g. half of their episodes publicly, with ads encouraging people who would like more episodes to send money. Those podcasts are marketed in a more open way than Rogan's.

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