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1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by fortuna86 »

afarrell wrote: post #183
maxharris wrote: post #7

1Password used to be native on the Mac, and now it's an Electron app. I'm not going to be using 1Password for this reason, and I encourage you to do the same. Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them!

> Subscription business models and non-native apps are hallmarks of rot by VCs. Dump them! The costs of developing and maintaining software are recurring -- especially for security-critical software. Subscription business models align incentives towards ongoing maintenance.

Where they going out of business before offering stand alone licenses? If no, this is a money grab.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by boneitis »

KMnO4 wrote: post #324
chrischen wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bitwarden can 1-click import 1Password vaults.

You... just saved me many hours. My 2021 goal is to migrate from 1Password to Bitwarden. I’ve been putting it off as I still have half a year of my subscription. But that does make it easier. Thank you!

Heads up.

I just tried to do this after comparing the features that I use and what I'm paying 1p vs. the bw rate.

There seems to be no export mechanism from web access.

I tried installing the (Linux) desktop client, which exports to a different file format from the one, single 1p format listed as supported by bw.

Bw did not like it.

I also could not get it to digest the json-like data in the alternative paste import box.

If anyone knows how I can migrate without manually entering hundreds of logins by hand, that'd be super swell.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by fortuna86 »

jl_agilebits wrote: post #352
dak1 wrote: post #296

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But how can you justify removing the ability to have a local vault? Why would anyone think for a second that it would be a good idea to force people to store every password for everything in their life in your cloud without an opt out? That, even more than Electron and the subscription model (both which do bother me), is an absolutely deal breaker. I've paid for every version of 1Password since v3 in 2009, but I'm do…

The original article goes into great detail as to why we're moving away from local vaults. That being said, we are looking into gauging user interest in self-hosting. Please take a look at our survey [1] if you want to share your thoughts. Hope that helps! [1] https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

You're taking a survey about not removing a feature you already have? Why not just keep it?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by fortuna86 »

JustinAiken wrote: post #387
jl_agilebits wrote: post #352

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The original article goes into great detail as to why we're moving away from local vaults. That being said, we are looking into gauging user interest in self-hosting. Please take a look at our survey [1] if you want to share your thoughts. Hope that helps! [1] https://survey.1password.com/self-host/

I don't want self-hosted, and I definitely don't want subscription based. I, 1Password user for many years, want the local vaults! 1Password 6 is great, and I'll keep using it until it quits working on my devices, but no more after that! I used to recommend 1Password so much to people it was borderline evangelizing, but I quit recommending it once the subscription was pushed over the other options, and now that local…

Word for word my response as well. I've never had a product go from beloved to this before.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by the_lucifer »

stock_toaster wrote: post #507
jl_agilebits wrote: post #411

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Can you quantify the "needless development churn and hassle for both customers and our support team" in some way? Sure, happy to elaborate on that! Since we were rebuilding our app from the ground up, it was a significant slow-down on development to create a user interface for both Electron and SwiftUI, requiring two separate teams of platform developers for every feature we needed to implement. There were also con…

> requiring two separate teams of platform developers for every feature we needed to implement So your margins are more important than your users’ native experiences. Got it.

I mean looking at this I can see why people came to the conclusion that this was primarily a move that VC funding caused even though AgileBits seem to vehemently deny this.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by vmladenov »

larkost wrote: post #401
jl_agilebits wrote: post #320

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> Users don't desire to have the same UI across different OS environments, it's only an app's developers that care about that. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that. I personally enjoy having consistent user interfaces across the apps that I use, and there are many other people that would say the same, so I would avoid making broad assumptions. From our perspective, consistent user interfaces are a win-win…

This is a curious response. I would have used the same reasoning as an argument against Electron (or similar unified development systems): they are not consistent with all of the other native apps that people use. I don't know if your reasoning is that looking like a web app means it is consistent with those apps, or that the apps look the same across platforms, but neither of those arguments are compelling to me. I…

This comment reminded me of a Gruber blog post from a few years ago

https://daringfireball.net/2018/12/electron_and_the_decline_...

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by the_lucifer »

vmladenov wrote: post #514
jl_agilebits wrote: post #338

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a feature developer for 1Password, and I want to clarify a few things. I've posted this already in another thread, but there seems to be some misinformation being spread that our technical decisions are being driven by VC funding. Our decision to built the macOS app in Electron was absolutely not driven by VC money. For the past few years, we've been working on consolidating 1Password's business logic into a sing…

With respect, I disagree with your conclusion about a SwiftUI version causing hassle for customers. Every time I use an Electron app, I get the distinct feeling that its developers are prioritizing their experience over my own. We the users subsidize faster development cycles with wasted CPU and memory, laggy interfaces, and strange, non-native UX.

> We the users subsidize faster development cycles with wasted CPU and memory, laggy interfaces, and strange, non-native UX.

I can absolutely attest to that with a relatively underpowered computer (4 gb of RAM). I can barely use 2 electron apps after which my computer grinds to a crawl (I’m running VSCode and Slack mostly). I have stopped using the discord desktop app and exclusively use the website now.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by PascLeRasc »

prepend wrote: post #237
ValentineC wrote: post #168

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I'm perfectly happy with paying a subscription, and think $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. What I'm not happy with is the possibility of password access being limited or sync breaking if 1Password servers go down. At least with Dropbox (iCloud, wifi) sync, I have full control over the local vault file. Ultimately, it might be mostly about ownership and choice for me.

> $4.99/month for 5 people is affordable. I’m glad you find it affordable but these nickle and dime things add up. Especially when the product fits into $0 software so $4.99 is infinitely higher than $0. I feel like these small, “affordable,” services are just whittling away the Unix philosophy of do one small thing well. Layering on unnecessary crap just to charge a fee eventually comes home to roost. Also, password…

So how was your trip to Tahiti?

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by fortuna86 »

_jal wrote: post #122
xuki wrote: post #51

The writing was on the wall when they took VC money[1]. Anyone has a good guide to move to Bitwarden/Lastpass? [1] https://techcrunch.com/2019/11/14/fourteen-years-after-launc...

Second vote for Bitwarden. Lastpass is a bucket of ass. They've had security bugs in their browser extension before, but it is almost required to use it - the webapp works horribly without it. My least-used browser gets that extension, so it isn't running most of the time, at least. And with it, the UI is still terrible. The app is just awkward and poorly done. The one good thing I can say is the user/group model is…

I just went through all the trouble of setting up Bitwarden, the built-in 2fa from 1P doesn't seem to transfer over, or doesn't work with the chrome extension at least.

Re: 1Password 8 will be subscription only and won’t support local vaults

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Post by sleepybrett »

fuck these guys. seriously.

I've been using this product since 3.x. I chose it because I could use a wide variety of syncing solutions. It did what it said on the tin. Gave me a place to store my passwords that was secure.

I was a happy user buying upgrades whenever they came out until 7.x where it took me over an hour to figure out how to buy the non-subscription/cloud version and instead find the link for the standalone version.

I paid for versions that I honestly didn't have any features I cared about simply because it kept doing what I wanted it to do.

Gone are the days when you can buy a hammer, and use it to hammer just as many nails as you like until it breaks. Now we have to rent a goddamned hammer apparently. Even that wouldn't be so bad if I could still keep my passwords out of their cloud provider.

They've fucked up, they don't think they have.

So what are the options for someone who just wants a simple place to store a bunch of passwords encrypted in a secure way. With decent clients for ios/mac/windows/linux that lets me be the only person who has their hads on those encrypted bits?

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