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TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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I'm a huge fan of TikTok because after years of content stagnation and dullness, the internet is fun again. Especially places like Twitter and Instagram are outrage and depression inducers for me, consumed together it feels like the society is collapsing but everyone is living a perfect life at the same time. The China thing is touchy but I want the west to beat them by being better, not by being dismissive and prote…

Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them. > According to Netzpolitik, the social media company instructed moderators to find users who are “susceptible to harassment or cyberbullying based on their physica…

> Another thing Tik Tok does is get rid of people who are obese, queer, or otherwise the target of harassment. Their stance is it's easier to get rid of the person being made fun of or limit who can see their videos rather than the 10k people harassing them.

The company I'm contracted to has a similar policy - instead of dealing with inappropriately behaving employees/contractors who have the company's logo/name somewhere in their social media profile they just disallow using the said logo and name - that includes CVs.

To quote a certain really upbeat clam: awesome idea in theory

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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>They are going to realise soon how much of an addictive nightmare this app is and it just takes a slip up or a scandal from ByteDance to anger the majority users on the platform. Have you seen this previously anywhere? Sounds like a pipe dream to me. Did, for example, Facebook's scandals kill Facebook? The spywares that Lenovo bundled even make a dent in Lenovo's brand? Reddit's constant push of dark pattern shrink…

> Have you seen this previously anywhere? Sounds like a pipe dream to me. That's because it has already happened. They already were sued for screwing with their users privacy. [0] [1] Facebook's brand has been damaged because of this, as for Reddit they hasn't even started yet. Even with the 'dark patterns' you speak of. The worst part is TikTok has already started these violations for everyone to see and the fact th…

I realize that I need to elaborate my point. I agree that angry users can happen, and lawsuits can happen. There will be news articles that detail the problem. But the pipe dream part is that any of this has significant effect on the platform itself. As long as they offer something that people think they want, as long as people have their peers on it, the platform itself will thrive.

Facebook and Reddit survived tons of controversies already. Is the brand damaged? Maybe. But can you measurably show the impact of it?

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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The social media functionality is the secondary purpose of the app, the first being surveillance and data collection. Of course Google, Facebook, and a million other companies do the same thing, all completely disregarding user privacy in favor of selling your information for a quick buck, thereby making the internet a more hostile environment for taking advantage of the technologically uninitiated than ever before.…

Precisely. The first purpose is pure invasive data collection of everything on the platform; otherwise how else is that so-called 'legendary recommendation algorithm' supposed to work? That and your data is the key asset that is being sold over and used by other companies as well, which is a violation of user privacy. The news here is reassuring to investors and the users like the parent comment are once again the pr…

One thing of note is that them collecting everything on the platform doesn't really hit me in the same way as facebook doing. Somehow tho tiktok gets more hate.

Facebook being a more traditional social media has people dropping info and stuff about their plain personal life whilst tiktok is more of a content platform like youtube.

Also unlike facebook and google tiktok has a thougher time following people all around the internet which is probably by far the biggest invasion of privacy.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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If that was the point, what's the point of stating that point? "The thing y'all enjoy now will be crap in a few years, get off my lawn?" I didn't come here for fortune-telling.

The thing is, I think it's more than fortune telling. The social media business model is very dirty, it's an addiction machine coupled with selling your data to the highest bidder. The end result will invariably be the same. It's like free image hosting or free file hosting. A "better", "cleaner" hoster appears and then they either go bankrupt or they sell out. Some stuff is just predictable at this point. Social med…

One thing to watch out for will be the treatment of divisive topics. It's eaten up so much of classic social media players because divisive content does well in terms of raw engagement, but it's not been my experience on TikTok. I wonder if there is explicit anti-divisiveness bias in the consumption experience.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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This is an out of touch take from the TikTok=China=bad days of 2019/2020. I see queer creators on TikTok all the time. Quite frequently actually. This was the second video that showed up for me today, with 500k views (it is propaganda out of the White House, in collaboration with a popular queer creator): https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosCgTr/ Only 50k views from an amateur creator, because TikTok hates queers: https://vm.…

> 90k likes because TikTok hates fat people: https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMdosn9PW/ I dunno: this bad posture video is some BS. It seems to be teaching just a different bad posture. People might be liking it, and TikTok might not be discriminating against it (which at least is positive), but that is no indication that the content is of any quality.

>It seems to be teaching just a different bad posture.

It's making fun of a different video using it's audio. The original audio source is linked above the video. A feature i kind of love.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Notice how I am discussing things that you said , and you are discussing me , while also making claims about me . What I value on TikTok is lack of unprovoked hostility of this kind in the communities that I have discovered there. Enjoy your day, my friend, and try to find another person to argue about.

I don't have any skin in this game, but I think it's very sad to see that the conclusion being drawn from this discussion is that it's unprovoked hostility. I see disagreements and different values. I hope both parties in this discussion can disconnect the message from the person. Having discussions with people we disagree with about topics we see differently is in my honest opinion the way we get out of the "us vs t…

>I think it's very sad to see that the conclusion being drawn from this discussion is that it's unprovoked hostility.

I think it's sad that unprovoked hostility isn't recognized.

>I hope both parties in this discussion can disconnect the message from the person

The message rvz makes is about a person, namely, me. They said: "users like the parent comment are once again the prime product addicted under a para-social relationship with other addicted influencers".

That message makes a claim about me, and this is not acceptable.

>Having discussions with people we disagree with about topics we see differently is in my honest opinion the way we get out of the "us vs them" tendency to think.

You don't get to have opinions or disagreements on what goes on inside other people.

Someone calling me an addict to parasocial relationships is not an opinion we should be agreeing or disagreeing about. Unless specifically asked, by me, you don't get to opine on that.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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Wow I love the HN dynamic on this thread:

  [Grand-comment: TikTok is legendary and beautiful. The world unites!]

     [Parent-comment: OMG YUCK TikTok is the WORST because they are Nazis who are actively harming my favorite oppressed protected minority]

       [Comment: And not only that, but China will ruin us all!]
       
       [Very grey comment: Actually there's some nuance here and the thing you say is wrong, is in fact the very thing that draws people together in shared psyche groups]
HN: where popular positivity is met with unremitting cynicism, fear-mongering and hatred.

The Principle of Spree Speech: Not only do I disagree with you, but I disagree with you in the most horrible and vehement way possible. I render all your points null and bad because they emanate from a poisonous corruption that had the sheer nerve to look sideways at My Truth. All who gaze upon me, shall tremble, and they shall know my name is the Righteous One.

Guffbert's Law of Internets: The extent to which one can express hatred, is also both the extent to which the one is right, and all other's are wrong.

Pandybergh's Law of Speech Forums: When the internet reflects a reality that is more pleasant than the one known to the speaker, the speaker must punish that reality and prove that the world is in fact as hateful as the speaker has known it to be. Corollary: While simultaneously broadening the perspective of all participants, the internet mostly only succeeded in reinforcing people's already limited perspectives.

The parable of the mustard beard: Do not go mellowly into that good forum, wag, wag your finger of blame and clench your jaws of hatred at all the nice things in the world from your rocking chair, grumpy old person with no name.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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FB to me today is mostly a modern phonebook rather than real content platform. TikTok's power lies in how much they encourage creators to develop new and fun contents. Every other social media I tried feels way too static and full of propaganda these days, built only for the famous and powerful. Instagram (not including reels) is nice but the picture format is restrictive and the interface feels less immersive. TikTo…

> modern phonebook

phonebook or phonecall? it seems that people use it as a substitute for calling all their friends once a year.

Re: TikTok overtakes Facebook as most downloaded app

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We already know enough about TikTok to hate it. Unfortunately, the masses don't seem to care. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TikTok#Controversies https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/fxgi06/not_new_news...

are you being serious with that second link?

kinda funny how people must not realize literally every app is querying all that information all the time...
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