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We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

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Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

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Such a system is not possible.

Things can always get worse. Consider what would happen if brokers disappear and your application is rejected by an AI from a company that most landlords use.

This is already the system. Brokers have no impact on the application process. It's all credit checks, which is basically the same thing as "AI from a company".

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

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It's a two-sided market, it's gonna be winner-takes-all.

You mean the way Lyft went out of business because Uber took it all, and then Uber raised their prices 5x?

No, the way it will happen when Uber, Lyft and their other rideshare competitors run out of investor money and become forced to actually turn a profit.

Still, Uber is not sticky. Drivers aren't forced to use it exclusively (fun things would happen if they tried to pull it off, something something employees). Brokerage websites most likely will demand you don't post your apartment on multiple sites. This will encourage concentration.

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

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"Especially now with the internet," can you show me a service that doesn't extract its own fee when connecting buyers and sellers?

The agent isn't the one doing the connecting, that's my point. Most landlords I know "write" their own listings using a standard template and reusing old photos. Circulating this is trivial, especially in a hot housing market. A few of the landlords I know are older and will pass the info to an agent to paste into popular sites. But I'd hardly call that "connecting" and certainly not worth thousands of dollars. Addit…

This whole discussion is so bizarre to me, since I've only been a tenant in the SF Bay Area. We don't seem to have brokers here, or at least I've never heard of them. If the landlord pays a property manager or realtor to show the place, that's, on their end and not an additional fee (in fact, non-refundable deposits are illegal in SF). Some people who are used to this broker system seem to assume it *must" be adding some value but I can attest that it doesn't.

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

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All states should operate like Oregon that stipulates the maximum lease break fee of 1.5 months. I think that's totally fair considering it's been a landlords market for the past 20 years. There's no reason in any state to keep someone on the hook for potentially 12 months when that landlord can just tell someone "hey we're still advertising it but we haven't found anyone yet". By the way, if any of you find yourself…

As with most things: it’s complicated. When you sign a lease agreement, you get a guarantee that your rent will not go up during the term of that agreement. So, if you sign a lease for $1000 a month on Monday, and on Tuesday the market rent for that area spikes to $10,000 a month, you’re locked in with a lower rate. If I were a landlord in Oregon, given the above law, I would just only rent month to month. Breaking a…

Except 99% of people wont accept month to month due to the instability.

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

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We used this pre-COVID to get out of a Brooklyn lease and had a fantastic experience (back when it was Flip Instant). Flip basically charged 1 month rent and guaranteed a fill or they'd pay the rest (6 months) of my lease. Compared to our landlord who wanted 1.75x rent, up to 2.75x rent if not filled immediately, after significant negotiation. Hiring a broker myself would have likely cost 1x rent or more anyways with…

All states should operate like Oregon that stipulates the maximum lease break fee of 1.5 months. I think that's totally fair considering it's been a landlords market for the past 20 years. There's no reason in any state to keep someone on the hook for potentially 12 months when that landlord can just tell someone "hey we're still advertising it but we haven't found anyone yet". By the way, if any of you find yourself…

In Seattle (a couple years ago at this point) the highest lease break fee I saw was 1/2 month which already seemed quite high to me. 1.5x seems crazy.

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

#526

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"Especially now with the internet," can you show me a service that doesn't extract its own fee when connecting buyers and sellers?

The agent isn't the one doing the connecting, that's my point. Most landlords I know "write" their own listings using a standard template and reusing old photos. Circulating this is trivial, especially in a hot housing market. A few of the landlords I know are older and will pass the info to an agent to paste into popular sites. But I'd hardly call that "connecting" and certainly not worth thousands of dollars. Addit…

> Most landlords I know "write" their own listings using a standard template and reusing old photos

So, like Airbnb? Last I checked, that platform -- without a person -- also charges renters about 15% or more. And you don't even get to actually visit the place before you commit to paying the fee!

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

#527

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As with most things: it’s complicated. When you sign a lease agreement, you get a guarantee that your rent will not go up during the term of that agreement. So, if you sign a lease for $1000 a month on Monday, and on Tuesday the market rent for that area spikes to $10,000 a month, you’re locked in with a lower rate. If I were a landlord in Oregon, given the above law, I would just only rent month to month. Breaking a…

Except 99% of people wont accept month to month due to the instability.

Another option is for landlords to price the additional risk into the rent itself.

But there’s no way you’re going to add risk into the market without that having some effect on pricing.

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

#528

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As with most things: it’s complicated. When you sign a lease agreement, you get a guarantee that your rent will not go up during the term of that agreement. So, if you sign a lease for $1000 a month on Monday, and on Tuesday the market rent for that area spikes to $10,000 a month, you’re locked in with a lower rate. If I were a landlord in Oregon, given the above law, I would just only rent month to month. Breaking a…

where does rent spike to $10,000 a month?

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Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

#529

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I was asked for 12 months' worth of statements for a place I wanted to rent in Islington. I got them printed out at the bank, and then spent an entire day with a Sharpie and a ruler and redacted every payee and amount in each of those statements. The approved my rental contract without a peep. A potential employer once also wanted statements - I think 6 months' worth, and I did the same. HR pushed back but legal back…

What information did you effectively leave that they theoretically wanted to see? Simply activity on the account, or did you leave incoming pay unredacted?

I left dates. They never told me what they wanted to see, other than "bank statements".

Re: We replaced rental brokers with software and filled 200 vacant apartments

#530

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Except 99% of people wont accept month to month due to the instability.

Another option is for landlords to price the additional risk into the rent itself. But there’s no way you’re going to add risk into the market without that having some effect on pricing.

Which is why, if there's any possibility of a sudden 10x price hike, the rents will start going crazy in advance. Because rent prices don't hike like that unless there's some disaster event, the existing system works well.
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