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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by tacotacotaco »

Kuraj wrote: post #369
zubspace wrote: post #349

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Somehow it is easier for me. Can it be that I can drag the mouse faster to the right as a right-hander? Maybe because the cursor is more often on the right, because of scrollbars on the right side? Maybe because many programs have their vertical menu on the left side (Outlook, Teams, etc) and therefore the left side would be too busy? But maybe I am just used to it.

To be honest, some of these are exactly the reason why I would keep the taskbar to the left - UI elements such as scrollbars or caption buttons are much faster to access with mouse, when they're glued to the edge/corner of the screen, because you can just "throw" your mouse cursor instead of having to aim for a 20x20px target. Having your taskbar to the right takes away that feature

Part of Fitt's Law. The corners of the screen infinitely large so they are easiest to target. As you said, just "throw" your mouse. The edges of the screen are infinitely long (1 dimension) but you still need to target the X range. Still easy to target. UX designers use to study this stuff and apply it. Now they unwittingly undo all of these thoughtful experiences with their cosmetic changes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fitts%27s_law

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by FridayoLeary »

usrusr wrote: post #425
FridayoLeary wrote: post #380

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- A new widgets fly out for weather, news, etc. (appears this will require you login with a Microsoft Account) Sounds daft and pointless to me. Are they mistaking their software for Apple or Android? Is Linux a usable alternative? IMHO, Windows 7 is my favorite OS, also XP, I don't love Windows 10 but Windows 11 sounds even less exciting, maybe MS should make some kind of "special edition" Windows XP that can support…

Again, Microsoft seems to be genuinely incapable of understandng why anyone could havev ever liked the Windows already available. As if that was some crazy unthinkable impossibility. Perhaps at some point between 60 and 90% market share you should stop trying too hard to be like the others and consider the possibility that not everything you've done is wrong?

Judging by their own line of tablet computers, it seems like they genuinely don't understand why anyone in would want a desktop. Which is sad, because Windows 10 is not a nice tablet UI

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Post by rurp »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #30
fader wrote: post #5

Putting the start menu button in the middle of the panel rather than at a corner seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys more or just bad design?

UI Designers don't give a rip about Fitt's Law or any of these self-proclaimed design "laws". Unless it's a useful authority to appeal to for beating opposing UI Designers.

That's exactly the problem, UI redesigns are almost never based objective arguments. Instead they are driven by fads and the personal preferences of whoever wins the internal argument, with users caught in the middle.

Software going through massive redesigns every couple versions should be seen as a huge negative. If the last redesign was so bad it needed to be replaced so soon, why should I trust the new one to be any better? Instead these changes often get trumpeted.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by rufus_foreman »

pram wrote: post #76
MarcScott wrote: post #62

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I might be wrong (not a developer), but I thought within the official stores, in-app purchases were subject to 30%, as standard, going to the platform provider. At least that's what I understand with regard to Apple and Google stores.

You can install software on Windows and MacOS outside of the app stores jfyi

But more and more applications can only be installed through the app stores on those platforms. That's the issue.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by Silhouette »

willtim wrote: post #510
Silhouette wrote: post #506

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For me, as someone who runs small tech businesses, it's not about what you get with Pro, it's about what you don't. Specifically, I have a problem with any operating system that will update itself in arbitrary ways without our consent and at a time we have not chosen. We no longer have control of our own business's IT resources and whether they will continue to meet our business needs in this scenario. That is simply…

> Specifically, I have a problem with any operating system that will update itself in arbitrary ways without our consent and at a time we have not chosen. I was sitting in a keynote talk at a conference once and mid-presentation Windows decided it was time to update. Very embarrassing for the speaker and for Microsoft.

Now imagine that was a salesman's laptop being out of action and it happened at the start of a big demo to a C-suite decision maker for a potential deal worth millions.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by virgulino »

easton wrote: post #499
virgulino wrote: post #418

No AMD Zen 1st gen support: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min... Zen+ supported. I wonder why.

I bet the TPM isn’t 2.0. I was hoping buying into AM4 would mean I could keep this board longer too, but the but the 5xxx chips aren’t compatible with the original chipset. My machine is super fast, but I guess unless I feel like staying on insider (which will have the TPM requirement patched out for the next little while according to MS), I’ll need to upgrade sooner than I planned.

I don't think the problem is the TPM.

I am running a Ryzen 2200G (1st gen Zen) on an Asus Tuf B450M-Pro S. I have fTPM (firmware TPM) enabled in the BIOS. My Windows 10 detects a running TPM 2.0.

I just ran the MS "PC Health Check", and it tells me "This PC cannot run Windows 11" .

This is a brand new machine. I built it 2 months ago. It was the only Ryzen APU available to buy online here in Brazil!

Bummer.

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Post by lupinglade »

MaxBarraclough wrote: post #97
lupinglade wrote: post #41

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Exactly, just more lipstick on a pig. They never seem to fully commit to anything.

That's too broad, they fully committed to Direct3D, and they're more committed to backward-compatibility than anyone else I could name. They have real trouble committing to a UI toolkit or design language, though.

That is what I am talking about, committing to UI changes and removing old crud that interferes with or goes against these changes.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by gruez »

dolmen wrote: post #501
gruez wrote: post #248

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>But if you want get android app from playstore, you still need google account nope, just use aurora store

From the terms of service https://auroraoss.com/de/download/AuroraStore/terms-of-servi... > You agree to defend, indemnify and hold us harmless from and against any and all costs, damages, liabilities, and expenses (including attorneys' fees, costs, penalties, interest and disbursements) we incur in relation to, arising from, or for the purpose of avoiding, any claim or demand from a third party relating to your use…

>[...] relating to your use of the Service

That seems... pretty reasonable? I'm not sure what kind of developer would want to foot the legal bills caused by one of their users.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by [deleted] »

BoorishBears wrote: post #482
jandrese wrote: post #477

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CPU requirements are also significantly stiffened up. Intel Core i8 or newer or AMD Ryzen 2 or newer. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/min...

Incredibly misleading statement. You just linked to a list of processors for starting development of a new embedded Windows device. 99.9999% of people will never have to concern themselves with this. Microsoft would never limit support to CPUs released a few years ago.

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Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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Post by CyanDeparture »

fader wrote: post #5

Putting the start menu button in the middle of the panel rather than at a corner seems to forget Fitts' Law. Is this a push to make people use hotkeys more or just bad design?

I think I might know what this is, and I haven't seen this anywhere else - a person's hands might cover up both corners when using a laptop. Mine certainly do from certain angles. This might be a usability for laptops (and selling laptops) where the Start icons is now visible for more users.
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