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Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by defaultname »

Yaina wrote: post #519
defaultname wrote: post #485

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"notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web." There are a lot of anti-Apple arguments a passionate critic might leverage, but claiming that Safari is "notoriously outdated and incompatible with the modern web" is just foolish. It is laughable nonsense.

There is a lot of precedence that Apple is very reluctant to implement web-app standards, that could compete with the app store. For some opinion pieces you can search for "Safari is the new Internet Explore"

Yeah, I saw the "Safari is the new Internet Explorer" argument. I, like many others, found it uproariously stupid. It betrays an authorship and readership that have literally no clue what the IE era was like. Just some sort of "IE bad" cudgel bit of pandering rhetoric.

It is whispering to a very specific audience.

And through all of this, the most remarkable thing is that Safari is hugely over represented among web visitors, both from iOS and Macs. It's almost like providing an extremely fast, light, energy efficient, feature rich browser encourages its use.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by VMtest »

valparaiso wrote: post #394
Animats wrote: post #314

Jasmine from Fanhouse is likely to get a speaking slot at the upcoming Congressional hearings on Apple.

It would be interesting to hear how she wants to make money on Apple platform by not following the rules and not paying fees for access to Apple user base. It seems zoomers live in alternative version of Universe where everyone is owing them something.

She, the fanhouse app owner, only takes 10% from the content creators

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by VMtest »

RandallBrown wrote: post #377
kristiandupont wrote: post #304

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>so is any other developer No, they are not. That was what the whole Hey debacle was about. Netflix and Spotify have special privileges there.

I do remember seeing articles about Apple "requiring" Hey to allow signing up in the app, but I'm not sure if Apple relented or if it was just a misunderstanding. Hey does not currently take payment in the app.

> but I'm not sure if Apple relented or if it was just a misunderstanding

the replies to your comments are literally telling you the true story, at least do your own homework

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by VMtest »

lolinder wrote: post #483
JKCalhoun wrote: post #436

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I wonder though if non-Apple stores will lead to fragmentation. Apps on the App Store will flee and there will be a whole host of app stores. Sort of like Hulu/Netflix/Disney/HBO/etc. with television. Suddenly the apps you had come to expect on the App Store are not there now.

That hasn't happened on Android. Using a third party store (a la F-Droid) or side loading in Android is very much a niche feature used only by the relatively tech savvy. Why would iOS be different?

because the arguments from people like the parent comment don't hold

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by VMtest »

chrisseaton wrote: post #293
flutas wrote: post #285

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Hmm, well Apple already has seemingly got their profit from the device when it was...purchased the first time? Or should phones just become a subscription service overall so that you can never actually own your own hardware?

The answer to both questions is... it's up to Apple. When you design and build a product it'd be up to you how you design for your revenue. If Apple allowed side-loading apps or custom app stores that'd cost them more to build and support that functionality, and it would damage their existing functionality through extra complexity and security surface, harming their existing happy customers. They don't want to do it.…

Epic sues Apple though

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Hamuko »

hellisothers wrote: post #34
Hamuko wrote: post #24

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So Netflix?

It’s a subscription service and you’re not paying for individual content a-la-cart? We can play wack a mole all day and find special carve outs by Apple but “what about-ism” isn’t the (or their) point, it’s did they expect this to happen or not. Surely they knew at some point the tax man would come with absolute certainty so crying (hyperbolic) foul now is… disingenuous.

They're both subscription services. One's just "too big to fail".

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by VMtest »

chrisseaton wrote: post #266
manigandham wrote: post #260

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The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others.

> The choice that people want is the ability to have other App Stores, or direct installation. Who do you want to pay for building and supporting this functionality? Apple presumably?

at least tell us how much it cost to build and support this functionality before asking that question

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by pfranz »

manigandham wrote: post #341
pfranz wrote: post #297

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I think 30% is absurd, but that would definitely change things for every user. I don't want to install Adobe's store because I need to use their PDF reader. I don't want to install Microsoft's store because I need to use Teams or Outlook for work. Other App Stores mean that companies get to make that decision--not end users. How could it be otherwise?

So don’t install it then. You can use other software. Why would you limit everyone else rather than make a choice for yourself?

You said, "This changes nothing for people like you while giving more opportunities for others." I'm just pointing out that's completely untrue.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by Karunamon »

martimarkov wrote: post #477
Karunamon wrote: post #435

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Because the entire definition of "open" and "closed" platforms is an arbitrary one dictated by the platform creator. There is no reason that iOS (and every game console for that matter) can't run arbitrary programs provided by the person who bought and paid for the device other than obstinance in service of rent seeking. Why should "closed" platforms (i.e. ones where the user doesn't get to decide) even be allowed to…

Because the user decided to buy into a closed platform. He could have chosen an open Android platform. My parents chose iOS over Android for the security, ease of use, unification AND the App Store. I’d say stop forcing your agenda on the users. They have the right to choose what they want. They voted with their money and do it each year.

Nobody's forcing anything on anyone. What you campaign against with this screed is choice. If someone wants to stay within the walled garden, nobody is taking that from them.

Re: Apple is threatening to remove Fanhouse unless they give 30% of creator earning

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Post by RandallBrown »

VMtest wrote: post #523
RandallBrown wrote: post #377

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I do remember seeing articles about Apple "requiring" Hey to allow signing up in the app, but I'm not sure if Apple relented or if it was just a misunderstanding. Hey does not currently take payment in the app.

> but I'm not sure if Apple relented or if it was just a misunderstanding the replies to your comments are literally telling you the true story, at least do your own homework

I can find nothing on the Internet about Apple bowing to Basecamp and allowing Hey to use their own payment processing.

I did however download the Hey app and try to sign up for a paid account, which you can't do.

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