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Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by amai »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #186
wait_a_minute wrote: post #15

This needs to be upvoted to the top so that we get some answers as to why this well-known history is not searchable via such a major tech company’s search functionality. It’s the top result via Google, why is Bing so bad at this?

Google doesn't have a search engine in China, and Bing does have a search engine in China.

That is why Western companies should not be allowed to do business with dictatorships. It is not to sanction the regime. It is to save our own culture of freedom from being destroyed by business requirements enforced onto our companies by these regimes.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by yesenadam »

In the early 2000s I got a taxi in Sydney, and the driver, a Muslim, passionately told me that he could not be more certain that Jews were behind the World Trade Center attacks of September 11, 2001. He kept repeating how absolutely certain he was, as if that was meant to be impressive, instead of what it was, unforgettably horrifying.

I got a similar feeling today reading the many dozens of comments on this page claiming to be absolutely certain of things they evidently know nothing about. Guesses in the dark pass for knowledge in this strange atmosphere. I felt a strong urge to place bets with these people. 100 to 1 would be attractive, no, if you are 100% certain? I get $1000 if you are wrong, you get $10 if you are right. But I somehow doubt I'd get many takers.

It's just been very embarrassing. I've felt embarrassed for HN. Not to mention the many ignorant attacks on dang on here in the last day or so, under stories on this and other conspiracy-related topics, e.g. the "LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator" story. Just shameful. Maybe people flag such stories because their average comment quality is so appallingly low.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dang »

asddfd wrote: post #511
xeromal wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sounds like you're saying it was flagged because veteran users knew it would be a shit show which it is. lol

It's easy to predict any submission related to China will turn into a shitshow because you have the usual suspects like justicezyx resorting to whataboutism, cry racism, flagging, etc. Want to censor a thread on HN? Flag it with a few different users, or turn the thread into a shitshow so that the "flamewar" tools will be triggered, or moderators will be forced push the thread off the frontpage.

Do you have any evidence that anyone is actually doing this? I'm not talking about threads that can fit that interpretation; you can fit any interpretation to most threads.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by aflag »

booleandilemma wrote: post #456
iso1631 wrote: post #213

https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1400906032176640004 A Microsoft spokesperson tells me that "accidental human error" is to blame for missing images of "tank man" on its Bing search results. "We are actively working to resolve this." The incident comes on the 32nd anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

Do they honestly expect people to believe that? My theory: Microsoft’s goal was to hide the tank man images, and only the tank man images, from the other image results. But an engineer, in an act of defiance, made it so that all results would be hidden, making Microsoft’s agenda stupidly obvious, but making it seem like the engineer did it “on accident”.

Why do you think that theory is more likely than they wanted to censor it in china, but accidentally censored it everywhere?

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

tpmx wrote: post #161
Pet_Ant wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm a member of “no politics evar” crowd, but I feel like both deliberate digital censorship AND artificial tweaks to search results are valid topics. I hope this was the result of a rogue actor rather than a corporate decision.

I just hope they don't say it was just a mistake ("glitch") that has now been fixed, like: "Because of a mistake a configuration change meant for some only some regions was also applied to Bing US. This has now been fixed." (To be clear, I just made this up.) Edit: https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-bing-raises-con... Actual quote: Microsoft said the issue was "due to an accidental human error and we are ac…

"A significant percentage of the Microsoft employees who work on Bing are based in China, including some who work on image-recognition software, according to a former employee."

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

ufmace wrote: post #61

The CCP seems to be quite good at practical censorship. They have a history of this - they know the Great Firewall isn't perfect, and don't seem to make a tremendous effort to plug every single hole or find and lock up everyone trying to circumvent it. They know that controlling what most people see most of the time is good enough. They also know that not making too much clear direct effort against those trying to by…

from https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-bing-raises-con...

"A significant percentage of the Microsoft employees who work on Bing are based in China, including some who work on image-recognition software, according to a former employee."

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by ColinHayhurst »

partiallypro wrote: post #248
iso1631 wrote: post #213

https://twitter.com/MikaelThalen/status/1400906032176640004 A Microsoft spokesperson tells me that "accidental human error" is to blame for missing images of "tank man" on its Bing search results. "We are actively working to resolve this." The incident comes on the 32nd anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

There's no way it was accidental. It could have been a rogue employee that pushed something globally that was supposed to be limited to China...but the idea that it was an accident on the anniversary sounds like a made up story.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/microsoft-bing-raises-con... refers also to human error and ends with this: "A significant percentage of the Microsoft employees who work on Bing are based in China, including some who work on image-recognition software, according to a former employee.

China is known to require search engines operating in its jurisdiction to censor results, but those restrictions are rarely applied elsewhere."

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by mda »

thih9 wrote: post #340
jakeva wrote: post #318

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I didn't know DDG uses Bing's search index. What exactly is their value proposition over Bing then?

No profiling. > DuckDuckGo distinguishes itself from other search engines by not profiling its users and by showing all users the same search results for a given search term. Also note that DDG doesn’t just rely on Bing. > DuckDuckGo's results are a compilation of "over 400" sources, including Yahoo! Search BOSS, Wolfram Alpha, Bing, Yandex, its own web crawler (the DuckDuckBot) and others. Source: https://en.m.wikip…

"doesn't rely on bing" but actually mostly rely on bing, they want to create this illusion to hide this ugly fact.

Re: There are no results for tank man

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Post by dwighttk »

jbay808 wrote: post #468
ufmace wrote: post #401

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Basically everyone else in Asia hates their guts due to their conduct in WWII.

That's really not true. Taiwan, for example, has widespread pro-Japanese sentiment. Indonesia, Thailand, the Philippines, and Vietnam also have warm relations with Japan. On the other hand, Mainland China and both North and South Korea continue to have a dominant anti-Japanese sentiment. A cynical observer might suggest that the ability of a nation's public to forgive past grievances correlates closely with how much…

What’s the benefit for South Korea?
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