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Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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I disagree with the characterization that the primary use is a scam. That’s like saying the primary use of email is to receive ads and phishing mail.

Are there numbers on what the primary uses of cryptocurrency are? I would guess remittances, purchasing illegal things, purchasing legal things, and ransomware - but I'm not sure in what order.

Aren't those things also purchased with usd, euro, yen, won, rmb, etc?

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

#522
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Actually, my understanding is that cryptocurrencies are having impact in developing countries. They can address hyperinflation, access to financial services, general friction in exchanging money etc.

But of course hyperinflation will never ever come to the first world

With all due respect, people have been predicting that “$thing will (finally) be what leads to hyperinflation in the US” for decades and decades, but it has never happened. That’s not to say it can’t happen... but that predictions of imminent hyperinflation have historically been a poor bet and that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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You give convincing arguments in favor of BTC for folks living abroad in less-than-stable states. But these very arguments for which it is acclaimed have clear flip-sides that should be worrisome for those very same folks you claim it's suited for. Safeguarding hard physical cash is something most everyone, old and young, technically literate or technically illiterate, poor or rich, intrinsically knows how to do. And…

I agree, Bitcoin isn't zero risk. But compared to my experiences with banks and WU the risk is manageably low. I have to give someone my passport and home address in order to receive money via WU, so I'm exposed to the risk that buddies of the WU employees will rob my house later. I've had to pay a collection agency thousands for fees charged on a bank account that was empty and that I thought was closed. I've had my…

> I'm exposed to the risk that buddies of the WU employees will rob my house later

In comparison to getting your wallet compromised by viruses searching for it (and they will probably become more aggressive and adept as BTC usage increases), the chance of this happening I feel is exceedingly low. And avenues of recourse exist: there are clear leads to follow on for an investigative team.

> I've had my bank ATM card cloned by a skimmer on an ATM while I was traveling overseas

I know that my credit card covers me for this and I would get my money back if such a thing were to happen to me.

> I've had WU give me ridiculously unfavorable exchange rates, and there was nothing I could do about it

And BTC transaction fees are ever-increasing. And so is its environmental cost.

My grandma lives in .pk. I fear she would not be capable of understanding the concept of BTC or Trezor as she can barely understand how a TV remote works. She does very much grok the concept of cash money though, and is quite fond of exercising her freedom with it.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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In the case of the Internet, people were doing either new things, or existing things more efficiently (e.g. sending emails vs. postal mail and fax, or transferring files vs. swapping disk media or printouts). As the Internet progressed, efficiency increased. In the case of cryptocurrencies, people are doing existing things that can already be done quickly and efficiently vastly less efficiently, in a system that is p…

I can send unlimited amounts of money, anywhere on earth, for (at most) dollars in a few seconds. I don't need to rely on any government for any reason, and no government can stop me.

This is obviously not true. You cannot buy, say, 3 million USD of bitcoin to transfer to another person who then cashes it out for 220 million rubles. More than one government will be clued in, many will stop you until you identify yourself, and it certainly won't be at most a few dollars to exchange.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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> What I don't understand about the crypto remittances argument is how the people sending and receiving them are supposed to convert them into spendable currency. The final goal is not to be able to convert crypto to fiat, the goal is to keep everything in crypto. Do you think all this infrastructure is being build just to convert it back to fiat, what cypherpunks want is to destroy fiat.

I understand the final goal, but if I want to send my relative in Venezuela half my paycheck this week, how does she spend it on groceries and at the pharmacy before the Crypto Revolution comes? Inevitably the answer is "some trusted third party" that turns it into a vanilla remittance.

Once you have enough liquidity of cryptocurrency in the country this isn’t an issue. And the incentives to own cryptocurrency in a place like Venezuela is high.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

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This huge silent majority that know it is a scam doesn't exist. Crypto is so large, complex and fast-moving that it takes thousands of hours to grasp. If I'd make a list of 100 questions regarding crypto, an exam so to speak, I am reasonably sure that this silent majority can't even answer 5% of the questions. Because they don't know crypto. At all.

I'd be interested in seeing this exam!

You won't, because then it'll turn out to be nonsense.

This is always how cryptocoin nuts argue.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

#527
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> What are the fundamental flaws you're talking about? For a payments system, the fact that all transactions are final is pretty bad. I'd say this, by itself, makes the system unusable in the real world.

It's bad now, but in the future it might be great? With technology getting faster, I regret not mining a few coins. I even bought the sound cards? A life if regrets because I didn't follow my gut feelings, or let people sway my decisions? (Would I invest in Bitcoin now. Hell no, but years ago yes. It will deflate, along with NTF's, and the stock market soon.)

| It's bad now, but in the future it might be great?

Not be able to reverse transaction is not a feature, it's a fundamental flaw. There is absolutely no advantage to the consumer or the producer to have all transactions immediately permanent.

The rest of your comment reveals your bias: You don't really care about it working technologically, you just wish you had made money on it.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

#528
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“But it’s like the early Internet!” shouted the Emperor’s coinholders. “The Internet wasn’t yet useful a mere, um, thirteen years after its invention either.” I can see how people in their twenties would fall for this argument because they can’t remember. The reality is that the internet was immediately extremely interesting (either useful or fun) for practically everyone who got access. Email and ftp alone were kill…

USENET had nothing to do with the Internet. It ran over UUCP.

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

#529
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I'm a tech guy. I've spent years experimenting with crypto and it isn't fit for any legitimate purpose.

Stablecoins like USDC, if everything around it is legit, can be viewed as a programmable dollar... circumventing everything and anything bank-related to do the same work. That's pretty legit IMO.

I notice that you say "can be viewed as" not "are used for"... USDC is just used as a lubricant for crypto speculation. Payment or remittance providers don't use USDC because it isn't actually better. Sure, now you have a programmable dollar; why isn't anyone programming anything good with it?

Re: It's time for us in the tech world to speak out about cryptocurrency

#530
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I could waste a huge amount of time refuting the author's points, but will make it more of a meta comment. Crypto is vast, complex, and inherently not suitable for binary thinking. I've studied the space for months and have come to the conclusion that crypto is two-sided in almost every aspect. Many/most coins are speculative, which you can associate with words like "greed" and "casino". Yet also provide wealth savin…

It's always so convenient that cryptocurrency/smart contract proponents "can't be bothered" to give actual arguments. Your comment here is a poster child of "I don't have time to explain, so please take these baseless assertions that you are wrong. Sorry I have to go now, for unrelated reasons".

It's a cliche at this point.

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