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Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by jaywalk »

intrepidhero wrote: post #363
jaywalk wrote: post #305

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How could you possibly cram everything that's controlled via the touchscreen into physical controls?

You mean like in every car made before 2015? Do new cars really have that many more features? With the touchscreen cars I've rented or driven for work I'd have loved to have a little bluetooth or serial connected control cluster that sat near to hand with basic radio and climate controls. Something I could operate by feel. Seems like there are enough bad touchscreen consoles out there to make an aftermarket kit viabl…

The top level Settings menu in my 2020 Ford Explorer doesn't even fit on one page. It would end up looking like the cockpit of a commercial airliner if everything had to be mapped out to a physical control.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

nexuist wrote: post #508
throwaway0a5e wrote: post #501

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>you can't really get small pickups that size anymore Write your representative and tell them to thank the EPA and NHTSA for doing their jobs. The death of the small pickup is squarely the fault of the confluence of fuel economy and crash safety regulations.

I'm not following - how would a smaller (and presumably lighter weight) truck have worse fuel economy than the giants we see today?

Fuel economy regulations are based on vehicle footprint and weight. Small trucks are small and (were, still would be if we still had them) fairly heavy for their size making them bad for compliance. A small vehicle is also going to have harder lines (less physical space for clean curves) so will have worse aerodynamics.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by DangitBobby »

philshem wrote: post #460
zip1234 wrote: post #428

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Trucks are more dangerous to pedestrians because of the higher and flatter front--means people end up underneath rather than above if they are struck. I understand why they kept the look the same and why they used that space but in the future would prefer that they made changes to make it safer for everyone and not just the occupants. The high hoods make for poor visibility around the front.

Thank you. As a cyclist and pedestrian (who does own a normally-sized car), I was getting pretty frustrated by the lack of safety discussed in the comments. https://twitter.com/lloydalter/status/1395326192908218371?s=...

Sounds like a common sense reasoning about this. Are there stats to back it up? Do trucks pose a significantly greater risk to cyclists and pedestrians? I'm actually a truck owning cyclist myself.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by ed25519FUUU »

aynyc wrote: post #518

This is a contractor's dream truck. * Power supply. This thing supports ton of recharging of power tools. Lawn cares services will love this as more and more communities are banning gas-powdered tools. * Range. 300 is well within most contractors' home to work site. * Frunk. Lock away their valuable tools without unloading the toolbox. * Look. It's what they know and trust. It's something new yet familiar. Next step…

The intelligent backup power is such an obviously good feature that I'm surprised nobody has thought of this before. Out here people will spend $5-$10k installing a generac for their home. That thing is loud and takes awhile to turn on depending on the setting.

Having your EV plugged in and just "work" when there's a power outage is stupid simple and absolutely worth it.

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Post by misiti3780 »

mountainethos wrote: post #462
misiti3780 wrote: post #351

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As someone who comes from a rural area but drives an EV, my whole issue with trucks is that 90% of the people I know that have trucks do not need them for work, it sort of a status symbol in rural America. A lot of these trucks are huge, not your standard truck, but more like a tank. Trucks get shitty gas mileage and potentially cause more wear and tear on the public roads, and are definitely not good for the environ…

Where (and how) do you draw the line with gas mileage, materials used, and weight of the vehicle? If trucks are so bad, what are your opinions of popular SUVs like the Subaru Outback?

There should be a regressive tax rate tied to gas mileage, with exceptions for people/companies that can prove they need to use the vehicles.

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Post by op00to »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

In my area, I rarely see pickup trucks actually used as work trucks.

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Post by bombcar »

ajford wrote: post #339
pkulak wrote: post #286

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> It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. When a vehicle is driving in front of my house with a grill that's a foot higher than my oldest child... yeah, I don't much like those aesthetics. And it has nothing to do with "moving stuff". The UPS delivery vans that are actually built to, ya know, move stuff, have lower grills and way safer sight lines.

They're also optimized for having a driver hand-deliver packages from the back of it hundreds of times over an 8hr shift. That's moving entirely different things than you'd move in a truck. A pickup truck would make a shitty parcel delivery truck, and a UPS truck would be a shitty way to move construction materials.

Amusingly enough a "step van" - the technical name for the type of thing a UPS truck - is often a much better truck for the average construction worker (the type who brings a truckload of tools to a job site) - as you can get into the truck and find things without having to unload the entire pickup.

A friend started construction and bought a Tacoma new because he saw everyone else using one - and it had to go in for a repair and during that time the dealer lent him a van, and at that point he had serious regrets about buying the truck.

But then again visit most construction sites and you'll see one or two company trucks full of tools, a delivery semi or two, and acres of pickup trucks with nothing in the bed.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by christophilus »

ortusdux wrote: post #287

Tesla's checkout process has spoiled me. It's landing page -> select a model -> select options and appearance -> enter payment info for a 100$ deposit. No signups, no friction, just car creation and transparent info and pricing. Step one on Ford's site is to select a dealer. Already I'm thinking about how much I hate my local dealer and the whole dealership system in general. Step two is a login screen with create an…

I’m glad I have a local Honda dealer. It’s the cheapest oil change in the area. They have a full service kitchen that makes killer breakfasts while you wait. Their sales team is no pressure. I’m extremely happy with them.

I guess my point is that one size doesn’t fit all. That said, I do hate going to the typical car dealer.

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Post by djrogers »

This is a really well thought out vehicle. 9.6kw of AC power (120 and 240) available for tools etc on work sites, 2 way power (truck can provide backup power to home), and it has a frunk (front trunk)!

As a truck owner, and a California resident, every one of these features calls out to me. I use my power tools all over the place where power isn’t readily available, PG&E shuts off my power when it’s ‘too windy’, and a drunk seems like a good place to lock up my laptop and nice tools when I’m in a restaurant in San Jose or Santana Clara (sheesh, laptop thieves suck).

Well done Ford - I think you’ve got a customer here.

Re: 2022 Ford F-150 Lightning

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Post by NovemberWhiskey »

jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

It's not, I think, so much that the idea/aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to people.

There are obviously many cases where a truck of some kind is exactly what you need to do some task or other.

I think it's more like there are a bunch of people who have never owned a pickup truck, and have rented trucks when they needed to "move stuff", and are suspicious of the explanation given by others about why they bought them because those explanations don't match their own life experience.

If the answer to "why did you buy a pickup truck?" was "I like to see past the other traffic, I'm worried about the safety implications of a smaller vehicle when there are so many pickup trucks on the road where I live, the infrastructure here is set up for them with wide roads and ample parking so it's not really a thing, plus I very occasionally avoid needing to rent a truck when moving lumber" then things would be less contentious.

Of course, one can then proceed to the question of if there's a double-standard on why the question doesn't get asked to owners of sports cars with speed and handling limits that are of no relevance to public roads.

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