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Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by dTal »

jm__87 wrote: post #478
lmm wrote: post #333

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The vast majority of car "accidents" (more properly collisions) are the predictable result of policy choices.

What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Your tone suggests you can't imagine any, which is... surprising. There are a vast array of things you can do to make driving safer, at the cost of making it less accessible and/or more expensive. Different countries already set their threshold differently - in the US, a driving test takes 20 minutes and everyone passes, while in the UK it takes 40 minutes and most people fail the first time. And lo and behold, 4 times fewer accidents per capita in the UK - despite narrower roads and overwhelmingly manual transmissions.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by concordDance »

throwaway8581 wrote: post #519
concordDance wrote: post #389

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> Now if someone asks me "Hey where can I go see that thing that was taken off of Youtube" I don't have a ready answer that isn't an alt-right cesspool. Does this mean that only the alt-right have access to uncensored information?

Human biodiversity, intelligence variation, black-on-white and black-on-Asian crime statistics, connection between homosexuality and pedophilia, George Floyd saying “I can’t breathe” before the officers ever touched him and having a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system, rate of unarmed blacks killed by police being lower than the black proportion of violent crime. All of these 100% true facts (no value judgments in…

The George Floyd one at leat I've seen discussed outside places that could be termed alt-right.

There are also plenty of things that can't be discussed in alt-right places, only in proper free-speech places (which are rare and often heavily contaminated with alt-right due to them being kicked out of everywhere else). E.g. if you wanted to discuss whether "consensual child molestation" is actually harmful you'd get banned from any right-wing space.

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Post by ta_ca »

RamblingCTO wrote: post #381

Very weird comment section. It feels really weird to me that you need videos of people blowing up and getting killed to get a reality check. Reading about it and being empathetic should really be enough. Are you guys so out of touch with yourselves and the world? And is it really necessary to consume this taxing content? I mean, I've seen a lot. I lurked on 4chan/krautchan in the early days. But I'm not so sure that…

> Are you guys so out of touch with yourselves and the world?

in this instance i am living 1-life != 1-life, it just depends. in this instance institutions sugarcoat mass-murders and put people in prisons just for stealing a bread. we have no tool to defend against indoctrination at this scale.

i think it was 10 years ago that i was reading quite about isreal-philistine conflict, the injustices just overwhelms you, you become bitter and bitter, at one point i even hated them, not just the understandable hatred against a government. then i came across to this video, group of rabbies was beaten by police, blood everywhere. they were protesting against government policies. that single video showed me what a tool i was, generalizing group of people...

living an experience is infinitly harder than reading it. and closest thing to living is watching the real footage.

> I'm really wondering what happens to a brain that is exposed to such things

that is not very empathetic, is it now.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ohdannyboy »

karmicthreat wrote: post #24
reedjosh wrote: post #8

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BitChute maybe the replacement?

Just looking at the front page of BitChute it seems more conspiracy crazy than just recordings of crazy things happening.

While the Youtube purges did follow some obvious political lines, most of them were nuts. The only reason you go to Bitchute is that Youtube gave you the boot so that's their niche right now. I think these companies are trying to position themselves to be in a good place if these platforms ever trigger a more mainstream exit. But the fringe content makes them highly unpalatable so good luck. This is why I won't sink a penny into these sites right now despite my issues with Youtube, Facebook ect.

This may provide Bitchute with some diversity of content. I think this counts as a fringe community just not one that's all American right wingers. It remains to be seen if these communities are compatible (one group calling the other one "sand ****ers" in the comments might be an issue since Bitchute doesn't censor anything).

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Post by san-fran »

op00to wrote: post #417
praptak wrote: post #280

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I remember they used to show bad car crashes as part of the training you could take to reduce the number of penalty points (Polish road code, accumulate 24, lose your driving license). My colleague, who was a bit of a petrolhead, took it. It made him drive safe(r) at least for a few weeks.

My American school in the 1990s showed “Signal 30” in Driver’s Education class, a gruesome documentary film from the 60s showing deceased, disfigured victims in automobile accidents. Totally messed up to show kids that.

About ten years later also in America, our Driver's Education documentary was called "Red Asphalt".

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by niutech »

causality0 wrote: post #69

I do hope you also understand our reasons I mean, I'd like to try, except he didn't actually give us any of those reasons. Rest in peace, LiveLeak. You were a beacon of reality that shone through the propaganda, the bullshit, and the sugar-coating. Your demise means that people who want to see something like a shooting that's been removed from mainstream platforms will be forced to visit darker corners of the interne…

The solution to censorship is a decentralized video hosting like https://d.tube or https://joinpeertube.org.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by ta_ca »

andai wrote: post #395
ta_ca wrote: post #329

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on reddit you can say something factual yet outside party line and can get downvoted to oblivion or get deleted on some subreddits but your post might survive on some other subreddit. hn is just a big subreddit with one party line. we get bombarded by party propaganda. almost everything is anti-others. seeing through propaganda, stating the obvious or pointing the elephant in the room is autamatically and convenientl…

I wouldn't go that far, but it's certainly not a free speech platform. That does have its advantages, though. 4chan, for example, takes a toll on my mind -- even when I'm careful about which parts I visit.

for this particular thread you are right. i just hope the reason is not the volume of comments.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by Uberphallus »

samuelizdat wrote: post #492

LiveLeak was the only place I know where I could find footage of warcrimes in Ukraine that will more than likely never be "a part of our national conversation". Does the media tell you who Azov battalion or right-sector is? That we have no problem funneling weapons and money to them? Even if they did, would they show you the video of them crucifying and setting on fire a captured enemy? Liveleak did.

> Does the media tell you who Azov battalion or right-sector is?

Western media, yes? I mean, when they were relevant. Russian TV keeps mentioning them every other day, and short of how Ukraine has been the Third Reich all along.

Azov is integrated in the armed forces now and subject to a level of scrutiny that they were not back in 2014. Pravy sektor has no representation in other than some local councils, which is real good if you compare it with the numbers of Vox in Spain, Front National in France, or the usual suspects.

2014 caught Ukraine off guard and they threw everything they could to the East, and unfortunately that included extreme right paramilitary groups that had no rules of engangement or official oversight of any kind. The government(s) corrected it in the best way they could, which wasn't great to be honest. Not defending it, just contextualizing it.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by jm__87 »

JCharante wrote: post #503
jm__87 wrote: post #478

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What policy change could possibly be made to make people better drivers?

Take care driving as serious as aviation. Mandatory dash cams to make it easier to assign blame, automatic sensors which alert police when they detect the driver is behaving erratically. Make it easy to report other drivers for bad behavior (sitting on someone else's bumper, brake checking them, cutting them off, jersey lane swapping) which results in mandatory training or points off their license.

This is the only response I have seen to my question that could maybe change things - specifically having automatic sensors in every vehicle that automatically alert police when you do something dangerous. I think this would be unrealistic to implement, but assuming you could, it would probably help (assuming sensor data could be used as proof of bad driving).

As for reporting bad driving, you really need proof of a person's bad driving if you're going to penalize them for it. Having more traffic cameras helps a bit, but people just learn where the cameras are and drive carefully when they know they are being filmed.

Re: LiveLeak shuts down after 15 years online

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Post by elwell »

bspammer wrote: post #390
squeaky-clean wrote: post #160

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That's exactly the scary thing about war though. You can grow up, go to school, make friends, fall in love, fall out of love, graduate, move, make new friends, learn to cook, fall back in love, buy a home, get a job, get a new job, learn to paint, fix that leak in the kitchen... And then a car bomb goes off while you're walking by and all that time spent is gone.

That's the scary thing about life, not war in particular. Everything you just said applies to everyone alive right now. What difference does a few decades make?

"Why, you do not even know what will happen tomorrow. What is your life? You are a mist that appears for a little while and then vanishes."

- James 4:14

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