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Paying poverty wages is wrong, and child labour is wrong. They don't cancel each other out.
Is a 15-18 year old working fast food child labor?
"1. a young person especially between infancy and puberty
2. a person not yet of the age of majority..."
It depends on the definition of child you are using, I always thought the first to be correct.
People say "If a business can't afford to pay a living wage, then they should close". But won't that hurt consumers and distort the market? Personally, I like having many options for food to eat. If all the marginal small businesses had to close because they can't pay someone $15/hr to wipe tables, then we might just be left with large chains like Olive Garden or Cheesecake Factory. I think people should get paid wha…
> People say "If a business can't afford to pay a living wage, then they should close" I have a cookie company that raised the pay after we opened our 2nd location (economies of scale, buying in bulk, etc). Its in my interest as an employer to raise the pay since it typically raises the buy-in from employees. Companies like Netflix and Costco pay at the top of the competitive range and it allows you to run a tighter…
There's the old exchange:
> CFO asks CEO: “What happens if we invest in developing our people and then they leave us?”
> CEO: “ What happens if we don’t, and they stay?”
* https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/cfo-asks-ceo-what-happens-we-...
* https://twitter.com/richardbranson/status/449220072176107520
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There are definitions and I believe another commenter in this thread has defined it very solidly about poverty. There will always be service sector jobs, this is the argument luddites were having in 1815 (I don't want to get into this as it is distracting from my main point). We should be ensuring that anyone putting in 40 hours a week should be able to support a family. The wealth is there to be able to create this…
What does it mean to support a family? Is getting them sheltered, clothed and well fed good enough? I think it is way easier to achieve today than in almost any other time in a human history, even for the low earners. Restaurants are a part of the service sector. A service job does not imply that it is attractive. And they differ in requirements. The well paid ones get more and more complicated and hence, proportiona…
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> Please, define what is a poverty wage, it is important. The ability to afford adequate housing, food, and clothing. I'm not saying we should mandate people can afford a 1500 sq. ft. home, ribeye steaks every evening, and Ralph Lauren Polo threads, but how about at least a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment; nutritious, nourishing food; Walmart clothing at a minimum. > What is the change of the model in case of the…
> The ability to afford adequate housing, food, and clothing. I'm not saying we should mandate people can afford a 1500 sq. ft. home, ribeye steaks every evening, and Ralph Lauren Polo threads, but how about at least a one bedroom, one bathroom apartment; nutritious, nourishing food; Walmart clothing at a minimum. Now, what does adequate mean? I guess a place to sleep, a place to clean oneself, food and clothing seem…
Very many.
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Name one state where someone making minimum wage can afford an apartment, food, healthcare, and utilities, and some form of transportation. I think it's fair to say that if you can't, that counts as poverty.
Who says that's the point of minimum wage? That's where we disagree.
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I think the effects of price stickiness (on goods and labor) aren’t being adequately considered in these discussions. Yes, these restaurants could raise their wages to compete with unemployment, and many have. They’ll also need to raise their prices, which they have leeway to do, because everyone is facing the same costs. The problem occurs in a few months when the bonus unemployment runs out. Then there will be mill…
Rising the minimum wage is exactly the thing that should not be done, if one cares about the employment levels. It prices out the least qualified workforce of the market. To put it simply the less able/educated/experienced are not productive enough to cover own costs. So that no one wants to employ them and they are stuck. They start to rely on the government to provide them with resources and it means that have to v…
Minimum wage absolutely prices some people out of the job market.
Honest question: why do discussions about minimum wage in the U.S. never propose having teenagers having a different minimum to adults? In australia we have a $12.50/hr minimum for 15 year olds. It climbs in increments until about $25/hr. This system allows teenagers to get a foot in the door for low-skilled jobs, and allows adults to get paid a livable wage. The result is that a lot of fast food jobs are performed b…
> Honest question: why do discussions about minimum wage in the U.S. never propose having teenagers having a different minimum to adults? Because its effect would be a transfer of jobs from working class adults to middle class kids.
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You don't want to create a class of people who get paid badly because their jobs are terrible (and also low-skilled.) The only reason you would want a lower minimum wage for young people is because young people are stupid, and you want to put them into a job where they can learn i.e. low-skilled, but ramping up over time, like an apprenticeship. Paying people almost nothing to work a horrible job because you can get…
This sounds exactly like what OP indicated.
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> but some of your numbers are pretty high. Cost of living across the US varies wildly. The numbers are pulled from my most recent billing cycle for Houston and partly extrapolated to minimum wage (which I am most definitely not , but have friends who are). My rent is $1500/mo for 920sqft inside the 610 loop. The leasing office wanted $2000/mo for new contracts in October last year. It's really hard to find places fo…
Are people doing office work for $7.25 in Houston? I agree that prices vary widely, I'm not sure it makes sense to take expensive places as typical.