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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by syops »

whimsicalism wrote: post #502
syops wrote: post #493

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I don't claim anything about the veracity of the post you responded to or about your claims either. Except that your claims aren't an apt comparison because your comparison is logically flawed. Instagram paying some users for their content isn't the same as Instagram paying people to advocate a certain political agenda. And having a moderation system in place isn't the same as having a moderation system in place that…

> And you've made no claims about Instagram enforcing only one political viewpoint. I think I've made pretty explicit claims about political moderation by Instagram. Personally, I'm not a huge fan of racism/sexism/etc. so I find it hard to mind, but as I've shown, they also moderate contested political claims, like stuff about Biden's crime bill, Hunter Biden, etc. Those are political issues, and I've provided eviden…

You haven't given any evidence that Instagram enforces only one viewpoint. And I'd be shocked if Instagram only pays for political posts from one side of the debate in American politics. That Instagram seeks to counter what it perceives of as false political claims has been convincingly made. That it does so to advance only one certain political agenda has not been made.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by l9k »

brigandish wrote: post #397
marcinzm wrote: post #372

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>It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone gave a rousing speech or wrote some tweets - how do you manage not to succumb to these rhetorical titans? Given that exactly this happened 90 years ago and caused the deaths of tens of millions, people are needless to say cautious.

I'm going to side with the interpretations of history that are a tad more complex than "he gave a rousing speech, hence, genocide", and there are plenty of them.

Yet you seem to side with the less complex interpretation of current event being "he gave a rousing speech"

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by macintux »

cbozeman wrote: post #508
marcinzm wrote: post #372

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>It's amusing to think that people seriously believe there are huge swathes of people just ripe to become neo-nazis because someone gave a rousing speech or wrote some tweets - how do you manage not to succumb to these rhetorical titans? Given that exactly this happened 90 years ago and caused the deaths of tens of millions, people are needless to say cautious.

You can't have Hitler without the Treaty of Versailles. He was just a catalyst to an incredibly punitive and emasculating treaty that scarred the psychology of the German people. If it hadn't been Hitler, it would have eventually been someone else.

War, maybe. Genocide of the Jews? Seems less likely as an inevitability.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by dd36 »

beepboopbeep wrote: post #496
bzb6 wrote: post #472

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Get an Instagram account and say something against feminism, diversity, fat people, etc and see what happens.

It's not unreasonable for a person instigating something through negative posts to receive negative reactions in return. That seems self evident.

Consequence free speech seems to be what is desired on these platforms. This was inevitable.

You can’t monetize consequence free speech. It has to be in dark places like 4chan.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by hannasanarion »

neartheplain wrote: post #505
generalk wrote: post #482

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> I suggest we all stop comparing these things. Agreed, they are comparable only in superficial ways which remove context vital to the understanding of both events. One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. The other group protested/rioted by breaking into the Capitol and threatening to murder politici…

One group of people were protesting/rioting because police continue to suffer little consequence for murdering Black folks, despite years of effort at reform. If "protesting/rioting" includes gunning down unarmed black kids in the street (third link above), count me out. This is a highly flammable topic and we seem unlikely to agree, so I'd prefer we pause here.

A shooting happening in a protest area is not the same as armed protesters attacking the seat of the federal government chanting their intention to murder politicians.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by grawprog »

>In a press release announcing the decision, Twilio revealed which services Parler was using. This information allowed hackers to deduct that it was possible to create users and verified accounts without actual verification.

>With this type of access, newly minted users were able to get behind the login box API used for content delivery. That allowed them to see which users had moderator rights and this in turn allowed them to reset passwords of existing users with simple “forgot password” function. Since Twilio no longer authenticated emails, hackers were able to access admin accounts with ease.

So these 'security researchers' are random hackers that illegally gained access to accounts and servers are actively doxxing people and this behaviour's now being praised?

Apart from being illegal, I seem to recall severe backlash against several instances of doxxing in the past, which is exactly what these people have done.

I wonder if people would still be cheering this on if 70TB worth of twitter information had been leaked instead.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by _jal »

yanderekko wrote: post #274
newacct583 wrote: post #234

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Per Wikipedia, the count of active users was 4M. And that's about right for the community of active "MAGA head" republicans in question. A lot of the horror and cognitive dissonance of this moment is that the mob the President aimed at Congress on Wednesday was not a weird or fringe group. They were just his fans. Look at the crowd, along with the armored people smashing windows and beating cops were smiling grandpar…

And a lot of insincere attempts to address extremism look like "censoring Republicans".

I don't know which particular attempts you're referring to, actual referents would assist in understanding your point.

But let's be clear: Republicans violently sacked Congress and and attempted to overthrow our government. It wasn't all Republicans, or even most.

But the bulk of Republicans who didn't do this should be standing up and vocally disowning those who did, before their entire party is perverted.

If you don't, I and a lot of other people will assume you support the Cruz, Hawley & Trump insurrection, with reason.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by amanaplanacanal »

brigandish wrote: post #307
rob74 wrote: post #202

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To be fair, it's probably hard for a network like Parler to attract top talent. I mean, they explicitly advertised themselves as the "free speech social network" (i.e. "all hate speech welcome, we won't censor anyone except maybe Trump parody accounts") - would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future?

> would you want to work for such a company, or have it on your resume in the future? Does top talent only work for giant ad networks that thrive through undermining privacy (and hence, free speech) while manipulating public discourse to the point where these companies hardly have any defenders left? I suppose so, money will easily trump other considerations, especially among the naive, ignorant or just plain venal.…

I think we have all unfortunately seen what unbridled free speech on the internet looks like.

I think we have reached a good balance (for now). Government has to be hands off, and platforms can censor as they wish.

It’s hard to say whether this will work long term, though.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by [deleted] »

evgen wrote: post #423
tw04 wrote: post #349

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I hear this a lot, but it makes no logical sense to me. I see a site that is (in)famous for being full of self-proclaimed right-wing "patriots" who are calling for violence against people due to political beliefs. Someone then decide to associate with these people by joining the site. They may not personally post messages calling for violence, but are now associated with them. And the response is: well sure I'm in th…

There is a German saying that goes something like "if there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you've got a table with 11 Nazis.”

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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

chrononaut wrote: post #491
whimsicalism wrote: post #435

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By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

> b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration I assume that point was an extension of OP's comment of: "that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts." For those interested, here is a link to the USA Today article from the screenshot evaluating whether "the crime bill brought mass incarceration to Black Americans": https://www.usatoda…

> I'd say I agree with the points in the article over the non-contextual, anonyomous, blanket statement that the crime bill brought ("caused") mass incarceration of Black Americans.

Perhaps it is not an appropriately nuanced claim - I would be curious if there is equal enforcement of the "contextual" clarity of claims made in all political memes though. My guess is no, and it is also a quite common view among academics that the crime bill is a large link in the story behind mass incarceration.

I haven't, for instance, seen fact-checking of memes about Russia "stealing" the election or Donald Trump being a servant of Putin, despite those claims being potentially "non-contextual."

You may agree with the points. But does that make it beyond the pale of discussion and must be "fact-checked" away?

e: Rather than downvotes, I would be curious what others' thoughts are here.

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