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Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help

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Re: Jetbrains founders turn billionaires without VC help

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Post by giancarlostoro »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #77
leetrout wrote: post #73

I canceled all my personal jetbrains products a few years ago after meeting some of their team at GopherCon. I vote with my money and I was a 5+ year subscriber up until that point. I visited their booth with same enthusiasm as other posters here and lavished praise on their tooling and talked about how excited I was for their Go IDE and they just stared at me and said “Ok, thanks”. Something so empty and almost a pr…

Is it possible the booth was ran by marketing and not developers? Either way thats pretty awful.

I was asking a genuine question, I've seen some sassy marketing people, but when I talk to developers at booth is a whole different attitude (positive) when they see other developers.

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Post by bigbubba »

golergka wrote: post #478
bigbubba wrote: post #445

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The 'Russian angle'? What's this, other Russians have done things you dislike, so you pre judge these other Russians?

Speaking as a russian, I have exactly the same prejudice. Our government has done a lot of completely awful stuff in the last 10-15 years and still has wide popular support, so it's only natural that we are held accountable for it. Also, any company that has significant presence in Russia is subject to Russian influence. These people have ways to make you do what they want if you or your close ones are inside the bor…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom#Epithet

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Post by dumbfoundded »

daniel-cussen wrote: post #512
dumbfoundded wrote: post #369

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VCs are a slightly less evil version of PE IMO. Don't get me wrong, they're still evil. Anyone who makes money from money should really question their place in the world.

That's literally the biblical interpretation on this.

Usury laws in religion have different forms. Limiting doesn't mean no finance, it just prevents some of the crazy abuse we see now.

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Post by golergka »

bigbubba wrote: post #522
golergka wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Speaking as a russian, I have exactly the same prejudice. Our government has done a lot of completely awful stuff in the last 10-15 years and still has wide popular support, so it's only natural that we are held accountable for it. Also, any company that has significant presence in Russia is subject to Russian influence. These people have ways to make you do what they want if you or your close ones are inside the bor…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uncle_Tom#Epithet

Stop projecting american experience with racism towards other nations, please.

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Post by Too »

ajdegol wrote: post #44
bonoboTP wrote: post #36

PyCharm is a no-nonsense, straightforward IDE, that's a pleasure to use. They somehow manage to avoid annoying feature bloat and crapware. No nagging, no bullshit, they are actually creating features that improve workflows instead of features to tick boxes on corporate purchasing department meeting room flipcharts or buzzword bingo. Remarkable and I really hope they don't get bought-and-killed by one of the giants. O…

I'm a big fan and user of PyCharm for many years, but we all know that when my fan starts going and the laptop wants to take off, we can guarantee that PyCharm is indexing ;)

Find the biggest directory in your project which doesn't contain relevant code (usually /build, /docs, /.git or /thirdparty) and right click: mark as excluded. Problem solved.

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Post by Justsignedup »

est31 wrote: post #279
Justsignedup wrote: post #246

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The best small companies operate in their direct competitor's blindspot. Stupid example: Tesla. Toyota reverse engineered their car. Can't make a competing product. Not because it is impossible, but because it is not how the entire supply chain / development is set up. It'd take Toyota a major restructuring of the company to be able to compete. That's the idea. It doesn't matter how much cash the other side throws at…

In real electric car markets, other brands than Tesla run the show. In Norway, one of the biggest western electric car markets, Tesla is way at the bottom of sales. Only 95 Teslas were sold in November, while single models of other manufacturers had multitudes of that number in sales. https://insideevs.com/news/452441/norway-plugin-car-sales-oc... I think Tesla's main contribution lies in the past, by being an early…

That's the magic of first-mover advantage.

Tesla had like 3-5 years head start on any competitor. Just like the iPhone had a few years head start with the iPod. They got into people's mind, built a brand, and by the time the iPhone came out, and by the time the iPhone became a beast everyone else was playing catch up.

Remember how blackberry was so desperate to make an app store, and it was an absolute heap of shit?

Well Apple basically created an ecosystem where engineers were running apple hardware with a decent development environment. By the time anyone else could compete a few years passed, apple was a clear market winner, and all competitors were just trying to not get decimated. Took android a while before it was a real good apple competitor, and still playing catch up in many ways.

Tesla is in the same boat. Eventually there will be better EVs for less money for specific needs. But Tesla will always be synonymous with EVs. First thing you think about. The thing you judge everything against. Not to fanboy Tesla. That company has many many problems.

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Post by ci5er »

rufus_foreman wrote: post #437
DerDangDerDang wrote: post #111

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They worked out that every personal licensee is an advocate, if not an outright evangelist for their product.

Exactly, that's how I started using JetBrains products, I was working in a shop where everyone used Eclipse, and one developer kept telling everyone that if they tried Intellij for 30 days they wouldn't go back. I think there was only one developer that tried it and then went back to Eclipse.

As a counter, I have gotten 3 100+ person dev shops to adopt it.

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Post by juancn »

They make the best IDE, they actually invented many of the features that we take for granted.

I remember the first time I used IDEA (I think it was version 2.5), it was a truly magical experience. The little idea lamp popping up and almost reading your mind.

I was hooked, learned the refactors and most shortcuts and I could fly. They earned every cent.

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Post by kid551 »

ganeshkrishnan wrote: post #214
UncleMeat wrote: post #205

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PG is a VC. He isn't a god of entrepreneurship. Why is it that this argument only seems to apply to software and not to all of the other kinds of businesses out there?

Also as humans we are myopic and can only understand everything as a relation to us. His tweet ( https://twitter.com/paulg/status/1129897694984646657 ) about how you don't need to be rich to run a startup invariably shows that as humans we are poor at judging almost anything out of our current circle of understanding. The major major thing that makes a startup successful in almost all cases is money. With enough wind…

> With enough wind even chickens can fly.

This metaphor's impact is as strong as Lei Jun's famous saying, who is the CEO and founder of Xiaomi:

With enough wind even PIG can fly.

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