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Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by vinay_ys »

typon wrote: post #147
DCKing wrote: post #141

Come on Mozilla, hurry up! I want to give you money for goods and services (I also donate monthly [1]), but I'm not that interested in a VPN (I can and do also pay Mullvad). Give me that real internet stuff - email, calendar, file sync, chat(?) - give me Firefox Premium. Bundle in the Lockwise password manager. I'd pay good money to see a company fill the void of paid, privacy first essential internet services and I…

Only Mozilla can make me pay for Google services like Email/Calendar etc. I think I subconsciously trust the brand more than most internet companies out there.

What in Mozilla's track record makes you trust that they can run a trustworthy service? I'm a big fan of Mozilla for Firefox and rust. But they we have to be objective. They have yet to earn my trust for running a safe and secure service to which I can trust my data.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by methodsignature »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #243
lilyball wrote: post #173

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How about FastMail? They have a stellar email service. They also offer contacts and calendars, though I don't personally use those (I use iCloud for that).

I’ve used Fastmail for years now on a work account. It’s best feature is that it’s not Google. First, no phone support. Hardly acceptable when even Google has this. Second, no collaboration suite like Drive/Docs. Third, no addons I’m accustomed to having in my daily driver email suite. Things I miss include schedule to send later, default reply all, and no priority inbox. Im stuck using Google for email and maps. I h…

Replacing the data hungry black box of Maps with the closed ecosystem of Apple via Apple Maps isn't a win in my book :(. Still, may be better than no change. I just happen to be intentionally outside of Apple's all-or-nothing ecosystem so it isn't an option for me. Who makes a system like that, are they trying to dominate the world??? If they succeed in their business model, they will probably be more dangerous than Google - a ticking time bomb waiting for shareholder or executive level change toward nafariousness with gargantuan incentive begging for corruption. We already see the dangers based on how they operate the App Store.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by kchr »

thesausageking wrote: post #377
krrrh wrote: post #372

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I’ve been a happy Fastmail user for years, but in a recent thread Announcing Hey, it was alleged that fastmail will recycle your email address after you stop paying them, and that it’s a common attack to try to register old fastmail addresses and try to use them to access services. This contrasts with Hey which will forward your old hey.com address to another address after you stop paying, and not make it available t…

Buy your own domain for your email and set it up with Fastmail. You should trust anyone, even if they say they'll always forward.

> You should trust anyone

While I would like to be able to, I suspect this is a typo...? :-)

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by saurik »

afiori wrote: post #491
saurik wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That "stateless" paragraph in that article is explicitly referring to the per-connection message identifiers I was referring to; but that state burden is mostly carried by the server (which is put in the awkward position of dealing with separate clients with individual state sharing a mailbox) not the client (which by definition has a unique state anyway), which the article even admits. I will argue that if you use t…

> push notification... That is so totally the fault of the mobile networks and OS people The issue for mobile is that unrestricted push notifications are a serious battery drain. I think that JMAP makes the correct choice here, a push notification is just an external action/url, how the notification is delivered to the human is left out of the protocol. I would say that it allows for both openness and centralization…

Yes, I both understood that, acknowledged it, and then not only noted that a better solution was available but actually sketched how that better solution would work ;P. Given the poor incentives on the platform players here, I will thereby repeat the part where I understand and acknowledge the issue, but am going to then once again note how sad I am that we are in a world that didn't just solve this issue in an egalitarian way that doesn't require middle-man (using a flow control layer for wireless IP, rather than simulating that using an oligopoly of middle boxes).

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by afiori »

saurik wrote: post #524
afiori wrote: post #491

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> push notification... That is so totally the fault of the mobile networks and OS people The issue for mobile is that unrestricted push notifications are a serious battery drain. I think that JMAP makes the correct choice here, a push notification is just an external action/url, how the notification is delivered to the human is left out of the protocol. I would say that it allows for both openness and centralization…

Yes, I both understood that, acknowledged it, and then not only noted that a better solution was available but actually sketched how that better solution would work ;P. Given the poor incentives on the platform players here, I will thereby repeat the part where I understand and acknowledge the issue, but am going to then once again note how sad I am that we are in a world that didn't just solve this issue in an egali…

oh, the reason for my answer is that I implicitly assumed that something like `a flow control layer for wireless IP` capable of solving the problem could not exist. Or better I cannot even imagine how it could work.

My understanding is that a important property is that the device does not receive network packets that are not "replies". So that it has control on when it is fine to power down the network (in a very gross simplification)

So maybe something like what you are describing would be a protocol where the client can say "pin me back with this for this category of events but no sooner than X minutes", but at a network level, like a tagged TCP sleep function.

I never thought of this possibility. In the form I have imagined it it is technically inferior, but it would be an interesting approach to decentralization and surely could be improved.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by _rs »

krn wrote: post #474
nnt38 wrote: post #470

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FYI Mozilla VPN will just be rebranded Mullvad, ProtonVPN is outdated. https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2019/12/3/mullvad-partnerships-p...

Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. I consider Mullvad to be both, a technologically superior product, and a much more trustworthy company than ProtonVPN.

As someone who doesn't really use VPNs, could you expand on what makes Mullvad superior?

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by walrus »

hendersoon wrote: post #279
tafl wrote: post #174

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Like cyberpunk said. It's not money laundering, it's a way of anonymising the bitcoins.

He's actually technically correct, as that is the very definition of money laundering. The difference is (assumedly) the money he's laundering wasn't obtained via illegal means.

> Money laundering is the process of making illegally-gained proceeds (i.e. "dirty money") appear legal (i.e. "clean").

Someone should let FinCEN know that their definition is incorrect: https://www.fincen.gov/history-anti-money-laundering-laws

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by PostPlummer »

phyzome wrote: post #319
godzillabrennus wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’ve used Fastmail for years now on a work account. It’s best feature is that it’s not Google. First, no phone support. Hardly acceptable when even Google has this. Second, no collaboration suite like Drive/Docs. Third, no addons I’m accustomed to having in my daily driver email suite. Things I miss include schedule to send later, default reply all, and no priority inbox. Im stuck using Google for email and maps. I h…

« First, no phone support. Hardly acceptable when even Google has this. » ...you can reach Google over the phone?

You can and it is good. Had to a couple of times the last couple of years and every single time the support was stellar. Not just did the first person on the phone know what s/he was doing, they went to lengths to verify my credentials, which is a bit of a hassle but I appreciate it since it makes me feel my accounts are "save".

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by krn »

_rs wrote: post #526
krn wrote: post #474

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you, I wasn't aware of that. I consider Mullvad to be both, a technologically superior product, and a much more trustworthy company than ProtonVPN.

As someone who doesn't really use VPNs, could you expand on what makes Mullvad superior?

From the technical point of view, Mullvad was one of the first VPN services to adopt and support the development of Wireguard; it was also one of the first to open-source all of its client-side code.

From the privacy point of view, Mullvad doesn't ask for an email address, accepts payments in cash, publicly states the full names of all the people behind the company, and doesn't pay any affiliate commissions.

Re: Mozilla VPN

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Post by lmorchard »

voltagex_ wrote: post #307
hendersoon wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla VPN literally _is_ rebranded Mullvad. So if you want to contribute to Mozilla, should be a pretty easy switch for you.

I wonder why it's geoblocked in that case?

Different countries have different laws regarding encryption and money
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