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Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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They didn't remove his message. They merely pointed out it was misinforming the public. Speaking of which, shouldn't we make it a crime to lie or substantially mislead the public while holding public office?

Yeah, I don't disagree with their actions in this case -- if anything, they didn't phrase it strongly enough. ("Get the facts about voting by mail," as opposed to "Caution: this Tweet is unadulterated horseshit.") But I also think that the more Twitter is used to disintermediate political communication, the more it starts to look like a vital public utility. It's tough to say where the line will or should be drawn. I…

> "Caution: this Tweet is unadulterated horseshit."

Except it's not. Trump is right here; most of the confirmed voter fraud is on mail-in and absentee ballots, despite being less used than in-person in the past decades. Switching everyone to mail-in will cause a sharp uptick in voter fraud.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Do you have the right to stand in your community's biggest mall screaming racist things or does the property owner/operator have the right to remove you from the premise?

The Pruneyard decision [1] though did conclude that the sidewalks (even privately owned walkways) outside a business were quasi-public spaces analogous to public squares. [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/447/74 About your specific question, I would say "standing INSIDE the mall screaming" (screaming anything) would be more similar to posting large amounts of text on someone else's personal Twitter fe…

https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution-conan/amendment-1/q...

edit: deleted - the link did not support my claim.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Twitter is now that public square.

Not in any way that matters, and certainly not in the legal sense. In a legal sense, Twitter is your neighbor's backyard, and your neighbor is telling you to stop lying about sleeping with his wife or get the fuck out of his yard.

Twitter is so much bigger than your neighbours back yard. Debates between most major public figures don't happen in your neighbours back yard. And it doesn't matter what the law is now, think about what it represents to people first then the future law comes from that.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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As a government official, you cannot take action to try to impede someone's access to your official statements. That is independent of the platform, and independent of how much work someone has to do to still access the information.

But a private company can take action to impede everyone’s access to an official’s statements if they “suppress” those statements... that would mean Twitter has to allow anything any public official, at least in the US, broadcasts via that medium...

Twitter isn't suppressing Trump's tweets. They're still publishing them...along with a notice that the statements in those tweets are lies, with links to sources documenting the falsity of those statements and the true state of reality (i.e., that mail-in voting is not unconstitutional).

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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> This is about the President being angry that Twitter fact checked him and using executive power to create a chilling effect against any platform doing so in the future. That is the impetus in this case, but that doesn't mean it doesn't border on questions we've been slowly grappling with for some time now, nor does it mean we have to ignore that question. > the basis for authoritarian laws meant to stamp out that m…

>I'm not sure it's authoritarian to remove their liability protections, is it? If the intent is to punish critics and suppress the speech of party opponents, then yes. Any authoritarian can justify their actions in abstract and general terms, but context matters. >nor does it mean we have to ignore that question. We don't have to ignore it, but we also don't have to accept an autocrat's temper tantrum by fiat as an a…

The talk is about rolling back special privileges that platforms get. Privileges that you and I don't have. If you publish something illegal then you bear the consequences. If a user on Twitter does it then Twitter doesn't bear the consequences, but the user does instead. Doesn't this mean it's the user that's expressing speech rather than Twitter?

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Do you need Twitter to interact with your bank? To pay your taxes? To buy groceries? Is it the only way you have to reach your family?

When my Twitter account was suspended recently after 12 years, I also lost access to my DM history, including usernames which I had not memorized. For some of my friends, Twitter was the only contact information I had for them. I have now totally lost the ability to communicate with those friends in the midst of a global emergency, even if I make a new account (which itself would be subject to immediate termination a…

> You can’t export your data or do “data takeout” from a suspended account, sadly, and you can’t view your DM history either inbound or outbound.

This is a big problem.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Because we value individual freedom in this country including free speech.

A private company being able to ban/shadowban people is part of their own free speech. Not to mention free speech doesn't extend into the private sector.

Counterexamples:

Suppose a phone company (Verizon, Sprint, T-Mobile, etc.) decided to scan your speech for political content, then degrade your phone call quality if the algorithm decides that you seem to oppose the lobbying efforts of the company.

Suppose a package company (FedEx, UPS, DHL, etc.) decided that political items for one party would simply be destroyed, with the tracking number disappearing from the system. When you order a box of lawn signs for Biden, they never show up. Alternately, the packages aren't accepted for shipment, or they arrive with deliberate damage.

That's the private sector. Is this the world you want?

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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The biggest takeaway, looking past the headline: “This week a federal appeals court, ruling in a case brought by conservative activists against social media companies, affirmed that private websites are not public spaces and social media companies don't have First Amendment obligations. Any truly strong limits to Section 230 would almost certainly require action by Congress.”

There is already a ruling by the Supreme Court where social media sites are referred as the modern public square. https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/16pdf/15-1194_08l1.pdf

Phrasing in dicta isn't the same as a legal holding, though. It's a legitimate point, but not a dispositive one.

Re: Trump signs executive order targeting protections for social media companies

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Twitter is private from the point of view that matters at hand; that is, the legal one. Whether or not you can see content without an account has no bearing on this as this is a matter of ownership and liability. Even if it did, you cannot participate in those discussions without an account. Laws pertaining to free speech do not apply here, as has been established time and again, partly because, like I said, it is th…

Ok, fine then wait and see new legislation that will be put in place soon to regulate these social media monopolies.

If that is the case, then so be it. At least that would be the correct way, even if I disagree with it. These are in no way monopolies. You have an enormous amount of choice when it comes to where to post whatever it is you want to post, regardless of whether anyone follows you there or not.
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