Wisconsin Supreme Court strikes down stay-at-home order that closed businesses

Post by bagacrap » Thu, May 14, 2020, 5:54 PM UTC

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> But orders for everyone to stay at home are pretty much unprecedented. Orders prohibiting most gatherings for non-essential purposes (with essential defined by the entity issuing the ruling), shuttering non-essential businesses, etc., very similar to today's shelter-in-place orders were fairly common in the 1918-1919 flu epidemic. They aren't at all unprecedented in the US.

And unfortunately, neither is lying about things being 'unprecedented' because you don't like them. Unprecedented doesn't mean bad..it just means new. The last truly national pandemic we had predated the model T and approximately aligned with the first commercial airboat flight. Not only is such action not unprecedented, but mislabeling it unprecedented repeatedly is a form of propaganda.

Post by asabjorn » Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:03 PM UTC

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Can't reply directly to Ikiris: It seems unfair to ask me another question without addressing my reference to Dr Birx statement. She is the one who's credentials this claim rest upon. Edit: reply to Ikiris child comment. Innuendo is not a valid argument against evidence and does not change what Dr Birx said. You have the video of her saying it, so your claim this is some lone voice saying something is not a valid arg…

It's pointless to respond to the statements of anyone supporting Trump in his employ as a primary criteria for his employ is on its face the willingness to say anything he wishes. More generally, it is not the burden to disprove a lone voice, it is the burden to state that expert consensus is wrong and why, with data. You've done neither and instead relied on single confirming source instead of trying to falsify your…

Post by apacheCamel » Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:08 PM UTC

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>it's easy to forget that most people act with consideration and respect towards each other most of the time... I think consideration here is extremely subjective. If what you say is even true, that most people are considerate, what defines considerate here? People think they should leave their shopping carts wherever since that's the job of the cart attendant. Are they considerate because without them, that person m…

of course it's subjective. it depends on local norms (many of are unwritten and/or implicit) which vary a lot from place to place. a lot of it just boils down to treating other people the way (you think) they want to be treated. do you think there are a lot of cart attendants that are grateful for people scattering carts all over the parking lot?

Post by jptoor » Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:18 PM UTC

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I can tell you're a smart guy, but it reads like you're buying into the politicization of an apolitical problem. The end condition is a therapeutic/vaccine, and since that is not available yet, the next option is a national testing and contract tracing plan. Every successful country has a good one, every country that's seeing mass casualties doesn't have one. There is no political aspect to this. The science is prett…

I generally lose respect for people who think caps-lock is an acceptable way to type messages to others. You should try looking for more descriptive words to get your point across.

Post by AnimalMuppet » Thu, May 14, 2020, 6:24 PM UTC

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We hold these truths (not rights) to be self evident." And it's the Declaration of Independence, not the Constitution.

"these truths" being that we are endowed with unalienable rights.