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> never agree to anything that locks you to Google. How is Google different from other cloud poviders in terms of vendor lock-in?
Google is the most likely to kill off a service you rely on? AWS _still_ has SimpleDB kicking around. That has been retired as a product for more than 8 years now. I haven't seen Azure do similar, either, but I haven't paid as much attention to them.
Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
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Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
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> I don't understand the anger here - you're literally saying you'd rather pay more for a service of lower quality because... why? Because they will continue to charge you more? Does not compute. This response, right here, is everything you need to understand about why Google Cloud is failing to sell to the enterprise market. The enterprise market only really cares about one thing: rock solid stability. It doesn't ca…
In addition, AWS charges only ever go down. I don’t think I’ve ever seen a price increase.
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
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We run lots of small clusters in our projects and identical infrastructure/projects for each of our environments. Multiple clusters lets us easily firewall off communication to compute instances running in our account based on the allocated IP ranges for our various clusters (all our traffic is default-deny and has to be whitelisted). Multiple clusters lets us have a separate cluster for untrusted workloads that have…
Namespaces handle most of these issues. A NetworkPolicy can prevent pods within a namespace from initiating or receiving connections from other namespaces, forcing all traffic through an egress gateway (which can have a well-known IP address, but you probably want mTLS which the ingress gateway on the other side can validate; Istio automates this and I believe comes set up for free in GKE.) Namespaces also isolate po…
We're okay with the waste as long as our software & deployment practices can treat any hosted Kubernetes service as essentially the same.
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
#524Time to dump GCP then. It's not even that the fee is that large, but rather that this is once again Google failing on a long term commitment and shafting those on their platform once again. This was one of the benefits that was pushed by their sales team when they called us up to market GCP over AWS and their EKS offering. Doesn't matter that they are price matching, Google's inability to actually commit to long term…
If the main value of GKE over DIY is $73, you should totally DIY. I mostly try not to be too Google-focused here, but I have to say... I'm pretty proud of GKE, and I think it offers a lot of value other than just being cheap. Managing clusters is not always easy. GKE handles all of that for you - including integrations, qualifications, upgrades, and patching clusters transparently BEFORE public security disclosures h…
Let me put it another way. Lunch perks at Google are probably worth way more than $73/mo. Googlers would probably not feel too great about having to start paying that amount... Even though it's also worth it, people working hard to prepare food, etc.
It happens time and time again that GCP paints itself in a corner with an unsustainable offering and finds itself in a situation where it has to dent customer trust by hiking prices or retiring products on short notice.
Why?
GCP is in no position to pull this off, competitively. Now doesn't seem like the time to pull unit margins up. Google could do so on ads or with Maps API because it has the best product by far in those areas. But not in Cloud, a market where stability is a feature, and GCP is a late, small player against larger competitors who are giving customers a much more stable product.
It doesn't matter if GKE is the best thing since sliced bread, and keeps getting better — as the CTO of a cloud-based business, you have to decide whether you want to build on it over the long run and take the risk of it becoming super expensive over time; there's not a lot of reassurance that this is even a concern at Google at this point.
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
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Exactly! https://cloud.google.com/kubernetes-engine/docs/best-practic...
For those that didn't click through, I believe the parent is demonstrating that it is a best practice to have many clusters for a variety of reasons such as: "Create one cluster per project to reduce the risk of project-level configurations"
Thank you.
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
#526Alternatively, don't use kubernetes. https://doineedkubernetes.com/
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
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Interesting. As a mid level GCP customer, it won't make a big dent on our bill specifically, but in the end, I'm not sure this pricing move is a smart strategy. With this fixed fee model, the change will barely make a difference (== Google revenue) for the large customers who can spare the money, but will create a significant entry barrier to that side project / super-early stage that considers getting hooked on GCP,…
Thats for me the most frustrating thing with GCP, AWS and Azure. I would never use them as a very early small 3 people startup or for private reasons. There is no billing protection (which could make you very poor very fast) and every service has a certain cost and quality which is just not feasable in the beginning. Even GKE with its free kubernetes master does block a lot of resources on the nodes: https://cloud.go…
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
#528Time to dump GCP then. It's not even that the fee is that large, but rather that this is once again Google failing on a long term commitment and shafting those on their platform once again. This was one of the benefits that was pushed by their sales team when they called us up to market GCP over AWS and their EKS offering. Doesn't matter that they are price matching, Google's inability to actually commit to long term…
If the main value of GKE over DIY is $73, you should totally DIY. I mostly try not to be too Google-focused here, but I have to say... I'm pretty proud of GKE, and I think it offers a lot of value other than just being cheap. Managing clusters is not always easy. GKE handles all of that for you - including integrations, qualifications, upgrades, and patching clusters transparently BEFORE public security disclosures h…
I'm with you here, and the price feels about right (looking at GCE prices)--it doesn't feel like it's a ripoff or someone's trying to squeeze out more revenue.
> I don't understand the anger here
This is Google being Google. The fee probably makes sense, but as flawed humans, we're subject to the endowment effect and feel like Google's taking something from us. Amazon's all about this customer. This move is all about accurately pricing services, and it's Google putting correctness before emotions.
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
#529Time to dump GCP then. It's not even that the fee is that large, but rather that this is once again Google failing on a long term commitment and shafting those on their platform once again. This was one of the benefits that was pushed by their sales team when they called us up to market GCP over AWS and their EKS offering. Doesn't matter that they are price matching, Google's inability to actually commit to long term…
What? A 73$ price difference to AWS was their main selling point?
Re: Google Kubernetes Engine is introducing a cluster management fee on June 6
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The salary of people working and using those 'tools' this infrastructure is higher then 300$. If your kubernetes cluster is part of your core infrastructure, then 300$ more or less should not be an issue at all (not to say that i think 300$ is nothing). That should not mean that you should waste money but often enough, if you buy cheap and your hardware breaks and your time&material costs much more then what a better…
> GCP offers 2FA, Digital Ocean does not. Digital Ocean definitely supports 2FA[1] [1]: https://www.digitalocean.com/docs/accounts/security/2fa/