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Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by Descon »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #508
jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

> “Developers will always surprise us, they will come up with use cases for us." Well, they did. iPads are now replacing POS registers and kiosks. Although a part of me dies when I see iPad Pros being used for this, because it’s so powerful and capable yet being used as a big touch monitor.

We have an iPad pro at work & a piece of me dies thinking that such a powerful device will never run anything but iOS.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by Polylactic_acid »

nwallin wrote: post #514
Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #483

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I still remember people saying that the iPad was just going to be a big iPhone and what is the point? I NEVER understood this. I was one of those people that was immediately excited about the iPad. Being able to lay back in bed and casually browse the web, read magazines, watch movies, play games? On something with a decently large screen, decent battery life and something that wasn't bulky? PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY!!!!…

I use an old shitty netbook for this. I prefer that to my Nexus ... 7? tablet for three primary reasons. The screen naturally holds itself at whatever angle I set it. If I'm just casually watching a video in bed, I can put my hands back under the covers where it's warm. It has a keyboard. So the other half of the time, when I'm interacting with the machine in a meaningful way, input is way easier. There's an entire o…

I had the 2012 nexus 7 when I was in school and I loved it. Used it all the time for just about everything including insane use cases like programming. Then I got my first phone in about 2014 and didn't really have much of a use for the n7. Its just like a phone only slightly bigger but less portable and no 4g. Since then I haven't been interested in a new tablet and it looks like the entire Android tablet scene died.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by samplatt »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #508
jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

> “Developers will always surprise us, they will come up with use cases for us." Well, they did. iPads are now replacing POS registers and kiosks. Although a part of me dies when I see iPad Pros being used for this, because it’s so powerful and capable yet being used as a big touch monitor.

At least it's better than underpowered devices in the same role. Cheap Chinese devices with 7-year-old versions of Android are still floating around in kiosks globally.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by eugeniub »

hug wrote: post #501
mdorazio wrote: post #363

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I'm curious why iPad Pro and not Surface, which from my (admittedly limited) use has always had digitizer responsiveness and functionality at the same level, with the benefit of also being a computer with all the normal software workflow and hotkeys.

Late to the party, but the answer is almost certainly just ProCreate. ProCreate (according to my girlfriend, who has a degree in illustration) is absolutely second to none with regards to completely eliminating the friction from digital painting. The toolset & UI/UX feel like someone who had used Photoshop with a Wacom tablet for 10 years took everything they liked about interacting with Photoshop and got it right, a…

This doesn’t explain why people are using either iPad Pro or Wacom + Photoshop but eschewing Surface + Photoshop.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by hug »

eugeniub wrote: post #524
hug wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Late to the party, but the answer is almost certainly just ProCreate. ProCreate (according to my girlfriend, who has a degree in illustration) is absolutely second to none with regards to completely eliminating the friction from digital painting. The toolset & UI/UX feel like someone who had used Photoshop with a Wacom tablet for 10 years took everything they liked about interacting with Photoshop and got it right, a…

This doesn’t explain why people are using either iPad Pro or Wacom + Photoshop but eschewing Surface + Photoshop.

Because if you want a device for art on the go, you want ProCreate, which means not a Surface. (The fact that the iPad Pro has a better screen in every measurable way doesn’t hurt either.)

If you want something with the grunt to handle a big photoshop project, you generally don’t want a Surface, you want a proper workstation.

Using a Surface is the worst of both worlds, only really useful if you’re beholden to doing things in that way for some other reason, like it needs to be photoshop for interop reasons with other businesses, and it needs to be done on location.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by toomanybeersies »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #508
jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

> “Developers will always surprise us, they will come up with use cases for us." Well, they did. iPads are now replacing POS registers and kiosks. Although a part of me dies when I see iPad Pros being used for this, because it’s so powerful and capable yet being used as a big touch monitor.

I used to work for a company developing a POS system for the iPad (not Vend).

One of the main drawcards of using an iPad or other tablet for a POS kiosk is that they're significantly cheaper than an actual designed for purpose touch screen. Those big bulky touch screens are incredibly expensive, especially for what they are, they can cost up to $2000 and still only come with an i3 and 8 GB of RAM.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by toomanybeersies »

Fr0styMatt88 wrote: post #483
jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

I still remember people saying that the iPad was just going to be a big iPhone and what is the point? I NEVER understood this. I was one of those people that was immediately excited about the iPad. Being able to lay back in bed and casually browse the web, read magazines, watch movies, play games? On something with a decently large screen, decent battery life and something that wasn't bulky? PLEASE TAKE MY MONEY!!!!…

> I do think it's a shame you can't really develop apps ON the device

I'm happy you can't. My old boss was so cheap he asked our head developer if this was possible, instead of having to buy me a Macbook.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by rorykoehler »

lostgame wrote: post #498
rorykoehler wrote: post #486

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Fair point but it's much further hamstrung than it needs to be and it would be easy to add velocity after the performance.

>> it would be easy to add velocity after What? In no way, especially for drums.

Just draw it in. I've been doing it for years in daws

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by int_19h »

snapetom wrote: post #411
Fiahil wrote: post #269

I completely agree with this article. The iPad hardware is absolutely wonderful, it's light, gorgeous and powerful. I got the latest iPad pro to watch Netflix in bed and it fills that purpose completely. However, the OS running on the machine is bad. Very bad. The multitasking is horrifying. The Files app is unusable (especially if you want to access your files from an FTP server). You have to use your finger to sele…

I feel that Apple has lost its way with OS design in the past 5 years or so. Not at a macro level, but at a micro, "little things" level. Launch anything Apple-written these days and you'll get a wizard telling you how to use some new widget - just like any other software by anyone else. I don't think Apple has ever done that before because features were designed so well, you can easily figure it out. Then there are…

I think it has been way longer than that, it's just that they were (and many fans still are) in denial for a long time. But there were plenty of things about iOS that were non-intuitive from the get go.

Way back when, I got an iPad for my mom. She loved the idea of a device that basically doesn't need support, but it took a while for her to get the hang of it, and her main complaint was that it was "inconsistent and unpredictable". She pretty much had to poke at things to figure out what they do - the opposite of good UX.

She's on Android now, and happy as a clam.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by int_19h »

simonh wrote: post #450
dividedbyzero wrote: post #406

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This can't be installed like a regular app, can it? Also, I wonder why they emulate x86 – isn't the iPad CPU ARM64? Couldn't this simply use binaries for that architecture?

Then you’d be running unsigned, unreviewed binaries bypassing iOS controls directly on the CPU, which would be a security nightmare for iOS. This way it’s a completely emulated environment that’s isolated from the underlying system.

Millions of people use Android devices that allow sideloading, and it does not end up a "security nightmare".
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