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Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by saagarjha »

gdeglin wrote: post #516
neurostimulant wrote: post #428

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This already happening for quite some time now. Many websites uses OneSignal and their fake prompt looks similar with Chrome's notification prompt (at least to ordinary users): https://documentation.onesignal.com/docs/permission-requests...

Hi. I'm one of the founders of OneSignal. To provide some context on this, we provide clients with 4 built-in prompting options and we do our best to encourage them to use the one that is best for their user experience. We definitely want to discourage people from asking for notification permission in an obtrusive way. It's not good for anyone when that happens. We wrote a blog post with some recommendations here: ht…

I'm not sure how to put this, but your product is "abused" to such an extent that I personally took the time to pop open the Web Inspector, find the CSS selector for the notification, and use it to look up your company and mentally blacklist it and make a point of bringing it up by name when relevant: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21848866. Your product is seemingly fundamentally misaligned with how users want to interact with the web, to the point where browsers are implementing behaviors that specifically target your implementation. Your blog post gives me very little confidence in your commitment to making this experience better:

> OneSignal encourages all websites to adopt a two-step prompting system if they don't already do so. This will help prevent the website from being penalized and forced to show a quieter permission prompt if too many users have denied the traditional native prompt in Chrome.

Websites are being penalized for a reason, and you know this. Simply adding another modal is just making the problem worse.

> The easiest prompt to transition to is OneSignal's Slide Prompt. Ideally, however, we encourage users to use the Custom Link prompt.

The Slide Prompt should not even be offered as a transition. It's completely at odds with the intent of this browser change, which is all about user intent. Providing facilities to present annoyances that bypass user interaction is the complete opposite of this.

> Offering a coupon in exchange for users opting-in to notifications.

…no?

Please, please, please reconsider how you are implementing these. If you are genuinely unaware of the widespread misuse of your tools, I'd be more than happy to direct you to numerous examples of zero-click, near-immediate, largely irrelevant faux notification requests coming from websites using your product.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by yoasif_ »

padenot wrote: post #211
hackinthebochs wrote: post #197

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It simply doesn't work for some non-trivial amount of videos, e.g. some instagram stories or gfycat mp4s. If you load the link directly in the browser it will say the file is corrupt. Loading the same link in chrome plays fine.

Would you mind filing a bug at [0] with the content of about:support and maybe a link or two where it doesn't work? Happy to have an initial look into this (I work on the media team at Mozilla). [0]: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/enter_bug.cgi?product=Core&comp... , you can log in with a github account or create one

I suspect this user is on Linux and doesn't have h.264 codecs installed.

They should be able to do this fairly easily -- two distros here:

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/assembly_ins...

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by yoasif_ »

benboughton1 wrote: post #430

Firefox is great on desktop. I use it 95+% of time. But it is not so good on Android. Ebay is great example. Most of the time, go to page 2 of search results and you get no listings. I want to use Firefox on mobile as it syncs my bookmarks and passwords but things like this are frustrating.

Try Firefox Preview: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.mozilla.fe...

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by jituc »

L_Rahman wrote: post #261

I'm honestly surprised that we aren't talking about tab behavior here. Literally the only reason I keep using Chrome is that no matter how many tabs I have open, they're all visible at the top. There's visual persistence of state. On Firefox, even with the trick of reducing minimum tab width, my tabs overflow and I have to click through to get different groups of tabs. It is utterly maddening and I don't know why eve…

Personally, I like the firefox way. Even if I have hundreds of tabs open I can just scroll tabs by hovering mouse and using wheels alternatively there is a popup menu which works for some.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by yoasif_ »

Dylan16807 wrote: post #519
yoasif_ wrote: post #517

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>I'm not sure I follow. The popup shows you the tab you're hovering over. You wouldn't be hovering over the last tab because it's not in the visible area. That was my point. >But that's unrelated to the problem they fixed. Right now, when you open a large amount of tabs, it always shows favicons. What it used to do, when tabs got smaller than about 30 pixels, was this... I mean, I guess it is better, but I wouldn't c…

> That was my point. But I noted that problem in my first post. And you replied "Not really." to it.

The person you replied to said "with Firefox no matter how many tabs I have open, they all remain usable" -- you then said "Chrome fixed that a few months ago."

I understood that to mean that all tabs would remain usable.

Being able to see a sliver of a favicon when I may have another 200 tabs that I can't get to isn't really fixed in my book.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by Dylan16807 »

yoasif_ wrote: post #525
Dylan16807 wrote: post #519

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> That was my point. But I noted that problem in my first post. And you replied "Not really." to it.

The person you replied to said "with Firefox no matter how many tabs I have open, they all remain usable" -- you then said "Chrome fixed that a few months ago." I understood that to mean that all tabs would remain usable. Being able to see a sliver of a favicon when I may have another 200 tabs that I can't get to isn't really fixed in my book.

"that" isn't referring to the line about firefox, because firefox was used as an example of doing it right. "that" referred to the first line:

> I can't use Chrome once my tabs shrink down to this: |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||

Chrome tabs don't shrink down to a row of lines anymore.

The current behavior is still annoying but it fits a lot more tabs before breaking and it breaks much less severely.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by irrational »

deith wrote: post #482
irrational wrote: post #480

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Do you mean "Reduce Motion" under Display?

Don't have an iphone handy but I think so. There are lots of options there to explore, there's also one to increase contrast and another to make buttons more evident. There's some cool stuff there in accessibility options

Ah, when "Mac" was mentioned I assume we were talking about MacOS, not iOS.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by megous »

choward wrote: post #230
megous wrote: post #154

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Well, it's delightfully stupid. In a webapp where you present user a button to activate notifiactions, when the user clicks the button seemingly nothing happens in FF72 (user is focussed on a big enable notifiactions button in the web app and may not notice that some tiny gray icon wiggled a little in the address bar). On a big screen a button in the middle of the screen is so far away from the address bar, that you…

I receive these popups multiple times per day. It is rare that I actually want notifications from your web site (or mobile app). Messaging is one of the few use cases that comes to mind but even then I don't always want to be notified. Do you mind me asking what your notifications are for?

For wahtever user wants, like mentions from others in comments. It's configurable.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by forgotpwd16 »

fauigerzigerk wrote: post #327
icebraining wrote: post #318

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> when I'm logged in, any program that runs as me can access my files On Windows, the same is true of the encrypted data; any program that runs as you can decrypt it. Is it different on macOS? How does the system authenticate a specific program?

On the Mac, Safari and Chrome store passwords in a key chain. To reveal any of those passwords you have to re-enter your macOS login password or whatever authentication method was used to log into the device (fingerprint, face ID, ...). So it's not the program that is authenticated. The system simply makes sure that any program accessing that particularly sensitive data is really controlled by the logged in user. Thi…

>Chrome store passwords in a key chain

Really? I thought Chrome, same as Firefox, stored credentials in an SQL file, the reason behind it being profiles and its built-in sync service.

Re: Firefox 72.0

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Post by mwexler »

ntp85 wrote: post #494
mwexler wrote: post #490

I appreciate all the upgrades, but I keep finding that Firefox is abysmal for battery life, even the versions that supposedly have focused on this issue. Have folks found ways to reduce it's power consumption on OSX?

Have you tried one of the more recent versions? Power consumption should have been reduced by using the CoreAnimation framework on macOS.

There is improvement, but it's gone from somewhat unusable to just abysmal, at least in my environment. YMMV, of course.
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