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Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Is jellyfin any good yet? Last time I looked they didn't really have much for client apps yet.

It is not ready yet. I hope it one day can compete with Plex, but I wonder if a community OSS project like this will take off and create high quality native apps per platform.

isnt that sort of Plex? It came from a political fork of XBMC for OS X. Some of plex is still open source, despite it having no XBMC/Kodi code anymore.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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> Our society is based on the idea that the public in fact does have an entitlement to all IP except trademarks. It is not, see copyright laws.

I literally cited the root of all copyright laws which very clearly states that all copyrights and patents are to eventually be public domain.

The key word is eventually, which makes what you're saying irrelevant to the conversation we're having here.

No one is talking about downloading media outside of copyright and you know that, but insist on derailing the conversation by continuing to talk about it anyway.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Sorry, I'm not, and there simply is no moral argument for pirating content, because no , if you believe in intellectual property, the is nothing whatsoever different about stealing a laptop and downloading a movie. If you believe in intellectual property, piracy is amoral. It's not pure evil incarnate, but harms more than it helps. And yeah, of course I would download that laptop. Doesn't mean I should!

There absolutely is a difference. The cost of reproducing a laptop for the owner exists and the cost of reproducing something in the digital world does not, or is negligible.

That's just an argument against intellectual property, which I've already said is a non-starter. If you don't believe in intellectual property at all, then of course it's fine to pirate, but if you believe in intellectual property, then you are violating your own beliefs when you pirate.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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I literally cited the root of all copyright laws which very clearly states that all copyrights and patents are to eventually be public domain.

The key word is eventually, which makes what you're saying irrelevant to the conversation we're having here. No one is talking about downloading media outside of copyright and you know that, but insist on derailing the conversation by continuing to talk about it anyway.

Except, as I've said multiple times already, that part has been perverted to where now "forever minus a day" somehow suffices. When they pull that crap to hold on to property that should be in the public domain, I don't feel a need to respect even the concept that they own that IP.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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The key word is eventually, which makes what you're saying irrelevant to the conversation we're having here. No one is talking about downloading media outside of copyright and you know that, but insist on derailing the conversation by continuing to talk about it anyway.

Except, as I've said multiple times already, that part has been perverted to where now "forever minus a day" somehow suffices. When they pull that crap to hold on to property that should be in the public domain, I don't feel a need to respect even the concept that they own that IP.

Right, but in so doing you're presenting an inconsistent and selectively favorable-for-you viewpoint, which in reality is nothing more than a smokescreen for your greed.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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post #96

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Yeah, that's a different use case than above - I'm fairly certain that's exactly what the family plan is meant to be used for - multiple users in the same household. Even then it's not great that you have to share the master account password which contains the billing information (maybe they need a read-only and admin password, but now we're complicating it past the "password123" crowd), but really that seems to inad…

Some of us who have at least some involvement with security do have to cringe a bit at this. Yeah, I have a unique password for Netflix and there's only so much harm someone with access to the account could do. But don't share passwords even with people you trust is still ingrained enough that it just feels wrong and certainly isn't a good practice in general. Who knows who a kid, for example, is going to share the p…

This is exactly my problem. I can't imagine any less than at least 75% of all engineers at Netflix cringing at the current solution regarding shared passwords.

A further gripe is them not having a netflix.com/link system in place for settop boxes, so I need to enter a randomized 30+ character/multi-word phrase or whatever scheme password using a directional remote on my Nvidia Shield. Not often, but when I do it's with seething rage.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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post #159

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>>We are also talking about a generation who is saying "I wont pay $7-$15 four times, thats too expensive" but while growing up, who's parents were paying $150/m to Comcast or DirecTV. Yea I'm part of the group of millenials killing everything. Here's my honest to god thoughts: I don't care if piracy is killing the industry, or if these people aren't able to keep operating. Let the whole thing burn to the ground. We'…

I can understand but disagree with folks who don't believe in creative rights, but don't really understand your argument. If the entertainment industry has gotten gross and stagnant, it seems like the solution is to not consume it, not pirate it. This just seems like a thin excuse to steal.

You say "tomato" I say "eat the rich".

Again: I get it's not the best look. I strongly support artists rights and the need for creatives to make money off their labor. However, the system sucks, and doesn't actually benefit the creatives anyway. Maybe creative/artist jobs shouldn't be "jobs" anymore, and people MBI or something needs to step in. Maybe the public need to subsidize the arts through state sponsored programs.

IDK what the answer is. But I know it isn't "more streaming services with no ability to share passwords".

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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Except, as I've said multiple times already, that part has been perverted to where now "forever minus a day" somehow suffices. When they pull that crap to hold on to property that should be in the public domain, I don't feel a need to respect even the concept that they own that IP.

Right, but in so doing you're presenting an inconsistent and selectively favorable-for-you viewpoint, which in reality is nothing more than a smokescreen for your greed.

Point out the specific inconsistentcy.

Re: Netflix, HBO and Cable Giants Are Coming for Password Sharers

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post #427

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"Our experience is, it all leads to more penetration, more paying subs, more health for HBO, less reliance on having to do paid advertising… If you go around the world, I think you’re right, Game of Thrones is the most pirated show in the world. Well, you know, that’s better than an Emmy." - Time Warner CEO Jeff Bewkes https://www.forbes.com/sites/insertcoin/2014/04/15/game-of-t... Multiple studies in various countri…

Would Netflix users pay an extra $5/user/month to give valid legal credentials to their friends? Your reasoning, that pirates pay extra versus non-pirates, implies yes - but upthread given the attempt to justify pirating one or another service based on cost of service and value perceived for that cost, I seem correct to think otherwise. I would buy a Netflix sub for a year for someone with a gift card before I would…

It's definitely getting into a gray area. If I own a DVD, I can loan it to a friend legally. I can also invite a bunch of friends over and show it to them. I can even make a copy for my own use, like a backup or format-shifting. Sharing credentials doesn't violate copyright as far as I can tell, it's just a ToS thing.
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