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Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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> Everyone has worries and problems, if it is not the weather which is about to damage the harvest it will be the expensive providers or the fruits imported from cheaper countries or the workers who try to do as less as possible with the maintenance of their tools. And after work everyone stressed because they are afraid that this year benefits might end up not covering expenses and not knowing what to do if the pric…

> Those worries you mention exist on both worlds equally. What if my startup fails? This cannot be serious. I've worked at startups, and the answer is: there are 50 other companies within 10 blocks who are falling over themselves to hire programmers, especially one with the gumption to try a startup. I've never heard of anyone who worked at a tech startup who then had trouble finding other employment after it failed.…

You're being pretty quick to judge here.

I've never worked on a startup and have no intention to do it. I live in a poor country where the average developer earns $8k/year and very few of us have any fallback. Mentioning startups was a way to relate to people here on HN.

If you don't focus on the specifics I bet you can come up with examples that relate to you and my argument still stands. Everyone has a different worry. Putting one's worries on a pedestal and discarding everyone else's as "not as bad" is pretty shallow to me.

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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I'd argue it's actually easier to cope when what you need is repetitive hard physical labor. You don't go to sleep thinking about that big problem you still haven't solved. You actually get the satisfaction of doing the physical activity. You know with certainty that you've done your job (you can actually see it) and you know when to stop because your body will tell you to. Finally, you might be exhausted physically…

"I've never had the opportunity to work with physical labor" Yes you have. You could go out today and find a job doing physical labor unless you are significantly physically disabled. It's not like there is an educational barrier to all of those jobs. (Yes, I know there is to SOME of them because they require skills and performing physical labor) As someone that has done plenty of both, you aren't contributing anythi…

Seriously?

I don't know how it works on your country but unless I was at a starter level salary fresh out of college or I worked minimum wage, I couldn't work on any physical job without starving my family.

This comment actually diminishes physical labor implying "anyone can do it", which I don't believe it's true.

Re: Preindustrial workers worked fewer hours than today's (2009)

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Saying it's okay, that's up to you. Do they get away with it? YES!

> It's considered completely reasonable for employers to terminate employees and not even pay them for the rest of the day. So where does the sentiment that it is completely okay come from?

The company's self-bias https://actualized.org/insights/aliens-confirmed
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