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Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by finnthehuman »

jlmorton wrote: post #70

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

>It may turn out the absolutists had a point.

Of course they have a point. It just takes getting burned a few times before people learn why “you do you even when I don’t like you” is an important philosophy.

We become accustomed to restrictions when they’re not against us. The MPAA is a censorship cartel. But most people couldn’t be bothered to give a shit and those that do are happy for it. Who cares if movies forcefeed sexual negativity as long as it means little Timmy will never see tits?

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Post by taurath »

loudmax wrote: post #377
taurath wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It'd be real nice if we could make an expeditionary force and start setting up more cities outside, to continue the analogy. At the moment, most groups wanting to leave the city contain too many undesirables, but eventually there'll be enough critical mass. What does that look like? At first - an ecosystem of services, packaged together, rather than piecemeal. Firefox, duckduckgo, an open calendar. I don't think it m…

> The OS doesn't matter as much anymore. I disagree. Everything described above applies to the Microsoft Windows monopoly. The monopoly was shaken by the web, then by mobile in general, but lots of traditional businesses are still locked into the Windows stack. Non technical businesses in particular are locked into MS Office. Given that the world basically shrugged and let MS keep their stranglehold over the enterpri…

They’re locked in because they do license agreements for office, not because they can’t use anything else on windows. Plenty of companies use g-suite on windows.

I was also talking more about home and personal use in general, rather than businesses.

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Post by patrick5415 »

013a wrote: post #492
zcid wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A slippery slope is only a fallacy if you can't demonstrate a downward slide. Once you can demonstrate that slide, the issue needs to be taken more seriously. I believe that over the last two years, we have seen a dramatic increase in censorship from the most powerful companies in the world. I'm not even sure that our governments have the will or power to stop them at this point.

A big problem with critics of "slippery slope absolutists" is that often when someone says "Youtube just banned porn, you don't care now but one day they'll come for something you love" the response is "dude that's such a slippery slope, that won't happen." In other words: we just classified the end-state as a correct slippery slope, and now we're thinking that the end-state will never happen because that one argumen…

Thank you. Listing to people intone about how dumb slippery slopes are makes one wonder if they think the world is 100% stochastic without a trend in sight.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by unethical_ban »

finnthehuman wrote: post #521
jlmorton wrote: post #70

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

>It may turn out the absolutists had a point. Of course they have a point. It just takes getting burned a few times before people learn why “you do you even when I don’t like you” is an important philosophy. We become accustomed to restrictions when they’re not against us. The MPAA is a censorship cartel. But most people couldn’t be bothered to give a shit and those that do are happy for it. Who cares if movies force…

Eh, I think there is a difference, and it should be obvious, which is why it should be discernible. There is something to learn from hacking videos. The people tend to put them up "in good faith", a critical component of my argument.

Hate speech, calls for racial violence and other overtly harmful speech with no redeeming value, lesson, or skillset are discernible from videos about skills that could be used for good or bad.

A video about how to shoot accurately under pressure isn't bad. A video about how to take cover and kill as many people as you can in a church when the revolution begins is harmful.

Showing unpatched vulns that have been reported in IoT devices, or teaching about discovering web vulnerabilities, is good. Publishing a specific zero-day with no warning to the vendor in a way that would compromise many peoples' PII or banking data should be banned.

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Post by chii »

CobrastanJorji wrote: post #437
19870213 wrote: post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you want to livestream on Youtube, you aren't allowed to mention or link to other livestreaming solutions, such as Twitch.

YouTube's policy appears to ban videos that "promise users they will see something but instead directs them off site in order to view." As far as I can tell, mentioning that you have a Twitch channel should be fine, but creating a video called "my sick game livestreaming" whose content is a guy telling you to go somewhere else to watch your sick livestreaming might be seen as this type of spam. Honestly, that sounds…

> creating a video called "my sick game livestreaming" whose content is a guy telling you to go somewhere else to watch your sick livestreaming might be seen as this type of spam.

this happens a lot with many twitch streamers who also do youtube. I don't think it's banned under youtube.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jupp0r »

"showing how to bypass secure computer systems" reminds me of the DCMA debate, where "circumvent a technological measure that effectively controls access to a [copyrighted] work." is forbidden.

If it was a "secure" computer system, it shouldn't be breakable by anybody after watching a how to youtube video.

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Post by nabakin »

emiliobumachar wrote: post #277
Rooster61 wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You forgot the part about how Emperor G would come and burn your house to the ground if you tried to build outside the city because building houses was his idea. But wait, they didn't invent building houses. But Arbiter W lives in the walled city and the Emperor gives him gifts. Arbiter W considers Emperor G to be the person who owns the idea of building houses, and Aribter W is the one that sent the arsons out to yo…

I'm sorry, this just flew over my head. What is this analogy about? Is Google DoS'ing third party websites? Deranking them? Suing for patent infringement? Who's W?

Reminded me of patents

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by PavlovsCat »

dmitrygr wrote: post #240

Many of Google's actions can be explained by internal disarray, the way promotions are doled out, and lack of leadership. This cannot. -No longer proud to have been a Googler

Be, if applicable, proud of the things you did and where your heart was at when you did them. Nothing can take that away from you.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by mateo1 »

manjana wrote: post #184
oconnor663 wrote: post #145

Devil's advocate: There's a very thin line between e.g. the Lockpicking Lawyer doing reviews of different padlock brands and e.g. an instructional video about how to break into someone's house. YouTube knows that if someone posts home invasion instructions, and then someone else watches those instructions and commits a crime, the news media will absolutely 100% blame YouTube, and politicians will jump on them to scor…

So sad. Some of these channels like e.g. BosnianBill, LockpickingLawyer, HelpfulLockpicker have immense amounts of unique content that are properly even less likely to be backed up somewhere and will most likely be lost for good.

This is not just about lockpicking, Youtube has a trully incomprehensibly vast amount of content locked into their platform. They can hold viewers hostage with it.

My opinion on the morality of the matter is that old abandoned and unclaimed content should be made freely available at least to an open data repository.

In reality, as automated and semi-automated censorship tools improve, less content will be available to you, more content will vanish without a trace, and some content will be restricted based on factors such as location, nationality, ethnicity, political affiliations and browsing history.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by dvtrn »

thendrill wrote: post #459
mankeysee wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doesn't Twitch have similar rules regarding not advertising other streaming sites? I mean, its reasonable trying not to give free advertisement for your competitors.

Is it reasonable?

Maybe. Maybe not. I see it as another good reason to find viable and economical ways of hosting our own content independent of these platforms.
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