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> The day the Internet died. No. The day the ”Upload Other People's Work" Internet died. > what we're likely to see is a massive spike in people streaming video over encrypted tunnels Or just creating their own content. Wouldn't that be awesome?

You need only look at the rampant abuse of Content ID to see what the likely result will be... "Sorry, the video you uploaded 'Me playing Beethoven on the piano' contains BEETHOVEN'S 5TH SYMPHONY by BMG-EMI-XYZ Music Corp. You cannot upload this video."

Don't use platforms them. Host it yourself.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

#522

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That's why it is important that the 'will of the people' is bounded by a strong, hard to modify, constitution.

But that constitution, if legitimate, expresses the will of the people itself. So what really happens is that the principles of the people bound the whims of the people.

Many constitutions were written by some "wise father of the nation".

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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I didn't. I expected to be greeted with "We care about your privacy" and then have to opt in or not being able to access the content. I was right.

Fair enough. Although I remember plenty of comments on HN about how Facebook et al. would be blocking EU users because it would be too expensive for them to comply with GDPR. One or two US based newspaper websites were all I noticed blocking access because of compliance reasons. I expect a similar impact due to Article 13.

The big ones will be fine. They are already using filters. It's all the forums and such that have no way to implement the technology that the upcoming directive calls for, and they will have no choice but to block EU. Regarding news sites - usually it's the comments section that's the user created content, so I guess they could simply remove that for EU visitors, or, if that feels like a hassle, just block EU.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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This is a great day for creators in the EU. We are finally going to be able to upload our creations safely, in a platform that nobody will ever pay for. https://www.article13.org/best-of

If it is indeed true that platforms that don't allow monetisation are still allowed, then yes, you can upload your creations safely. You'll just be unable to make money from it.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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FWIW all the musicians rights societies in Ireland have been pushing FOR this change, presenting it as protection for 'content creators'. If A13 affects digital distributors like CDBaby and distrokid then independent musicians are going to be effectively shut out of the modern music market

If it forces musicians to sign with big labels (and their notoriously unfair contracts), then the law is working as intended. More money for big business means more money for politicians re-election campaign.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #474

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This isn't a law that serves multinationals; quite the opposite. The proportionality requirement in the text of Art. 13 is more onerous to larger corporations. If you're a tiny blog with a banner ad or two, you're not getting slapped off the internet for having a comments field, because it isn't proportional to require cost and complexity increases of multiple orders of magnitude to police your comments section. Unle…

When reading comments like this it feels like: there's no ambitious startup in Europe to become one of the large companies. Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€. Do you think Spotify would be able to grow if it was created on March 27 2019 instead of 2008? A successful Content filtering as a service (compliance.ly & co. In…

>Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€.

Not really? This isn't a flat 'you need to pay 10k a yr regardless of your size' imposition. Proportionality is important.

The articles, as written, are interesting because they already mention a ton of the balancing considerations. All of those are completely absent in these conversations.

Do you know why that's an issue? Because sometime soon people are going to start getting bullshit copyright trolling demand letters, and all this furor about how the internet is dead is going to convince them to close up shop or cave instead of saying 'nah, serve me your originating documents, this is a bogus claim'.

And that's how the internet will die.

>Do you think Spotify would be able to grow if it was created on March 27 2019 instead of 2008?

If the competitive landscape was the same? Yes. In fact, Spotify's arc is exactly what this law is attempting to encourage. As they grew, they became a quasi licensing clearinghouse instead of another Napster or Limewire. That's the entire point.

>how is this a good thing?

Because you don't end up with 1 compliance service, and you can litigate against the compliance service if they're inappropriately killing your content creation business. As it stands now, if you try to fight YouTube or the content delivery pipeline itself on the basis of their filters, you die. That's not necessarily the case if there's a healthy competitive filter ecosystem. Whether or not we get to that point is another question, though.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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post #474

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This isn't a law that serves multinationals; quite the opposite. The proportionality requirement in the text of Art. 13 is more onerous to larger corporations. If you're a tiny blog with a banner ad or two, you're not getting slapped off the internet for having a comments field, because it isn't proportional to require cost and complexity increases of multiple orders of magnitude to police your comments section. Unle…

When reading comments like this it feels like: there's no ambitious startup in Europe to become one of the large companies. Because now a startup has less than 3 years to add this content filtering, which provided as a service or not, is going to cost €€€. Do you think Spotify would be able to grow if it was created on March 27 2019 instead of 2008? A successful Content filtering as a service (compliance.ly & co. In…

What? Spotify has no uploading features, all their content comes from licenseholders.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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As someone about to use Hetzner for vps hosting. If my company is based elsewhere, but my product is hosted by a provider within the EU, am I still subjected to this utter nonsense? How about if I use OVH on their Canadian datacenter? It's a French based company but the product would be hosted outside EU.

Re: European Parliament approves copyright reform

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YouTube doesn't sell your data.

no, because it's using the data themselves to make even more money out of you. When once one agency collected data, sold it to advertisers, which sold ads to companies, which bought space in papers, YT is collection-agency, ad-agency and paper all in one – which should be kind of scary for any regular user.

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