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So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by OxO4 »

mattnewton wrote: post #231
unfunco wrote: post #179

Anecdotal like other comments but I and a few others from my workplace have switched to Dell XPS machines and run Linux now, and it's because we're working with Docker, even with 16GB RAM and solid-state drives, the performance of Docker on MacOS is pathetic, and entirely unusable for our work. The XPS machines we have are ugly, they're flimsy, they have a grotesque carbon-fibre pattern on them, the keys leave imprin…

Have you tried running Linux on a MacBook? This used to be pretty well supported (albeit expensive) way of getting pretty hardware and the software you needed, but I haven’t tried in a while.

AFAIK newer Macs with a T2 security chip block OSs other than macOS and Windows 10 [0] (at least on the internal drive).

[0] https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Apple-T2...

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by OxO4 »

unfunco wrote: post #179

Anecdotal like other comments but I and a few others from my workplace have switched to Dell XPS machines and run Linux now, and it's because we're working with Docker, even with 16GB RAM and solid-state drives, the performance of Docker on MacOS is pathetic, and entirely unusable for our work. The XPS machines we have are ugly, they're flimsy, they have a grotesque carbon-fibre pattern on them, the keys leave imprin…

> the keys leave imprints on the monitor after the lid has been closed

Same with my Late 2013 MacBook Pro.

> the keyboard with it's rickety keys

I haven't used the XPS keyboards extensively but they seem to get good reviews and in my limited experience, I definitely prefer them to the new MacBook keyboards (which I've used quite a bit).

> I eat tramadol just to handle the back-pain from carrying it around in my rucksack

The XPS 13 is actually lighter than the MacBook Pro 13 and the new MacBook Air. The XPS 15 is half a pound heavier than the MacBook Pro 15, which should be barely noticeable when carried in a backpack. I am not quite following.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by arh68 »

jwr wrote: post #48

I so wish the Linux community would get its act together and implement a working usable clipboard. It's the one thing I miss the most whenever I switch from Mac OS to Linux. On a Mac, you can cut/copy/paste using predictable keystrokes in any application, anywhere. And there is a single clipboard. On Linux, you have to deal with a multitude of behaviors (middle mouse button, Ctrl-C, others, and does it paste where th…

I agree in whole, but

> On a Mac .. there is a single clipboard.

There are 3 clipboards, at least. Cmd-C/Cmd-V most everywhere, Ctrl-K/Ctrl-U/Ctrl-Y in most text fields, and select/middle-click in Terminal.app. It's like having 3 hands, I find it works well.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by acdw »

sam0x17 wrote: post #32

All of that said, what's with the bright manila color theme? There are plenty of people using i3 with a particularly awesome looking setup. Now macos and windows people are going to see this manila paper theme and think, that looks like 90's crap, fuck linux. So that's great :/

I actually really love this theme, and have been trying for an acme-ish theme on my laptop for some time. @rmavis, do you think you could share any of the setup with me? Especially your terminal colors.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by devereaux »

manaskarekar wrote: post #480
devereaux wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personally, I gave up on Gnome and run LXDE a bit like i3 - autopositionning the windows with Fx keys mapped to a given set of coordinates, so F10 will make a window use a square on the left covering 80% of the screen, F11 will move the window to the remaining 20% on the right, thus hiding conky - etc. The only advantage I find in LXDE is that it has a titlebar I can 'reveal' if I wish to mess around and fiddle with…

> The only advantage I find in LXDE is that it has a titlebar I can 'reveal' if I wish to mess around and fiddle with the window position Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can use Alt + left click to move any window around, and Alt + right click to resize. No need to reveal the title bar except perhaps to read the occasional title.

Correct, I really like alt left click to move windows but for some reason I prefer resizing with the title bar even if takes one more event (keypress) to make it show up, and one more to remove it when I'm done.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

Klonoar wrote: post #520
pseudalopex wrote: post #490

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On all displays. It matters less on Retina displays. External displays are nowhere near the normal use case?

No, my point is that this change only affects non-Retina displays. In my experience (worldwide, many companies, etc) anyone who uses a Mac with an external monitor generally doesn't settle for some POS. It's a high-end screen that matches the MacBook, hence why it's not that big of a deal.

The change affects all displays.

The highest supported resolution on a MacBook is still scaled down. Only a couple of expensive LG displays match the actual density as far as I know.

The MacBook Air only got a Retina display a few months ago. The low-end iMac is still 1080p.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by manaskarekar »

devereaux wrote: post #525
manaskarekar wrote: post #480

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The only advantage I find in LXDE is that it has a titlebar I can 'reveal' if I wish to mess around and fiddle with the window position Unless I'm misunderstanding, you can use Alt + left click to move any window around, and Alt + right click to resize. No need to reveal the title bar except perhaps to read the occasional title.

Correct, I really like alt left click to move windows but for some reason I prefer resizing with the title bar even if takes one more event (keypress) to make it show up, and one more to remove it when I'm done.

Off topic, but have you looked at LXQt? It is surprisingly nice, albeit with slightly more memory usage.

I never thought I could move away from LXDE but I think I'm going to soon.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by devereaux »

manaskarekar wrote: post #527
devereaux wrote: post #525

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Correct, I really like alt left click to move windows but for some reason I prefer resizing with the title bar even if takes one more event (keypress) to make it show up, and one more to remove it when I'm done.

Off topic, but have you looked at LXQt? It is surprisingly nice, albeit with slightly more memory usage. I never thought I could move away from LXDE but I think I'm going to soon.

Interesting - I will consider it, thanks a lot for the suggestion! Memory use is a concern, but so are wakeups in a tickles kernel on a laptop.

At the moment I'm considering Sway mostly because of the wide use and community, but it's a "long term" project this month or the next :-)

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by doubleunplussed »

pseudalopex wrote: post #485
doubleunplussed wrote: post #369

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But at this point the situation is the same as on linux. I've never encountered anything on linux that didn't use ctrl-c for copy other than terminal apps.

The situation on macOS is that you can copy text from Terminal the same way you copy text from Safari. You can edit text in iTunes the same way you edit text in your shell.

Sure. So each platform has different exceptions, but my point was they both have exceptions. The terminal is an exception on linux, but not on macOS. Other apps are apparently exceptions on MacOS, but those same ones probably aren't exceptions on Linux. The exact apps are different but the overall situation is the same.

Re: So Long, Macbook. Hello Again, Linux

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Post by pseudalopex »

doubleunplussed wrote: post #529
pseudalopex wrote: post #485

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The situation on macOS is that you can copy text from Terminal the same way you copy text from Safari. You can edit text in iTunes the same way you edit text in your shell.

Sure. So each platform has different exceptions, but my point was they both have exceptions. The terminal is an exception on linux, but not on macOS. Other apps are apparently exceptions on MacOS, but those same ones probably aren't exceptions on Linux. The exact apps are different but the overall situation is the same.

Using a terminal on Linux is common. Using X11 on macOS is not.
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