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Why Do Hospitals Hate Sleep So Much?

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That's why you've got a partner there with you. The partner's job is to keep an eye on whatever the young mother needs and make it happen.

No, the facility’s job is to provide the best possible environment for healing and recovery.

Of course, but sometimes they need someone to tell them what is needed in order to provide that.

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That's why you've got a partner there with you. The partner's job is to keep an eye on whatever the young mother needs and make it happen.

Which I’m doing. But we’re unfortunately stuck here and I’m just 1 person against an entire fleet of nurses, who also happen to be the caregivers.

I never said it would be easy, but it's important. Although honestly, unless the nurses want to be intentionally awful at their job, they will listen to you. They may not always be able to obey the letter of your request, but they absolutely should figure out a solution to any problem that's interfering with recovery.

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I'll push this one step further: why is our entire society built around the idea that sleep literally doesn't matter? - Elementary school starting so early all the kids are half asleep in class. - College + Sleep? Not gonna happen. - 24 hour construction in certain part of NYC, check! - Most cities quiet hours are very precisely 8 hours. Hope your days start at 6:30/7:00 and you're falling asleep precisely at 11pm, a…

One theory I've heard is that sleep deprivation is used as part of conditioning techniques. Doctors are conditioned to tolerate things most people would not (cutting people open, touching diseased people, dealing with people dying) and sleep deprivation may be one way in which their minds are made malleable. The same with grad students and soldiers. This may be one of the primary methods by which society makes young people behave the way it wants them to; mess with their minds, then tell them what to do, and repeat it long enough until they keep doing it on their own.

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I don’t see a lot of evidence that elementary schools have started classes earlier as more households have relied on both parents working. I _have_ seen an increase in after-school programs to make up the gap between school letting out and parents getting off of work. The battle to get up early is about as old as time. We aren’t that far removed from an agrarian-based economy, and farm work has always required very e…

>I don’t see a lot of evidence Have you actually looked? Ask some parents and see what replies you get.

I’m a father of three. I’ve had my kids in schools in four different cities. If we’re playing anecdotes, growing up my elementary school started at 8:00. My kid’s have had school start around 7:45. I don’t think that 15 minutes is the issue.

Continuing our story time, as a child a very small number of my classmates were part of after-school programs. Kids today are much more scheduled and for far later into the day. I grew up wandering the streets and maybe had baseball practice one day a week with a game on Saturday. I was home from school around 3:30, had homework done by 4:30-5:00, ate dinner around 5:30, and was put to bed (in elementary school) by 8.

I remember the thrill of having my bed time pushed to 9 around 8th grade. Bed time was 10 in high school except for weekends.

Very few people rode the bus to school: most had a parent drop them off.

This game changes significantly when both parents work. If both parents have to be in the office by 8, kids have to take the bus. Which means they have to get up very early. If both parents work until 5, then kids have to be in after-school programs. They’ll get home by 6-ish and have to fit in dinner, homework, and whatever activities they need to put on their resume to get into college.

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Which I’m doing. But we’re unfortunately stuck here and I’m just 1 person against an entire fleet of nurses, who also happen to be the caregivers.

I never said it would be easy, but it's important. Although honestly, unless the nurses want to be intentionally awful at their job, they will listen to you. They may not always be able to obey the letter of your request, but they absolutely should figure out a solution to any problem that's interfering with recovery.

Right, and I never said I wasn't doing it. But since this post was about how hard it was to sleep in hospitals, and I was in a hospital and my wife was struggling to sleep, I figured I'd share my story.

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I hear it. For our first child, for the first 24 hours or so postpartum, my wife and child both needed something checked every couple hours. Our overnight nurse said something like "I'll be doing your wife's checks at midnight and 2am, and your baby's at 1am and 3am". When I asked if my wife and child could be checked in the same entries, it turned out they could. I was surprised the hospital didn't do it by default…

Did you have your child in the US? If so I am curious, do the nurses come and visit your home the next day and a week after? I live in Canada and was very surprised when they came to check on the baby and my wife the next day, looking for jaundice, bleeding, etc. I'm genuinely curious if that is covered by insurance in the US?

Sorry for missing this, I don't check HN every day!

Both medical systems that we had children with (in SF) do not do in-home followups, at least not for us. We had to go back the day after discharge for both of our children (for bilirubin draws). Would be nice so soon postpartum to have in-home visits.

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> No, buses are safer, period, even without seatbelts. Occupants of bigger vehicles have much better outcomes in auto collisions, and buses are some of the biggest vehicles on the road. By causing much worse outcomes for occupants of the other vehicle or pedestrians in the same collision. Not really something you want to have around your schools and homes where your kids may be the pedestrians or occupants of the oth…

> By causing much worse outcomes for occupants of the other vehicle or pedestrians in the same collision. Not really something you want to have around your schools and homes where your kids may be the pedestrians or occupants of the other vehicles. This has nothing to do with whether or not bus riders need to wear seat belts. > It's also no help for single-vehicle collisions, which are nearly two thirds of auto colli…

You are right in "the way we currently use them", but that doesn't make buses inherently as safe as you imply. Buses get professional, trained drivers, subject to substance abuse testing and rest laws, consistently driving the same route. In the resource you shared, it looked like professionally driven cars (presumably mostly taxis and town cars? from 2000-2009) also had dramatically lower death rates, although they didn't give the deaths/passenger mile number.

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We had a brave school superintendent a few years ago who tried to get our local high school started at 9 a.m. instead of the traditional much earlier start. (Classes at 8 a.m., with many extra-curricular activities like band practice and swim practice at 7 a.m.) This is in the western U.S. All the sleep-cycle research is on his side. And he was friendly, focused and persistent. But his campaign failed. A later school…

Its always bizarre that they don't have activities involving daylight first so that school could run into the dark and nobody would care because you are indoors anyway. Its basically that society used to require daylight to get anything done two centuries ago, and most people worked the farm by daylight, so fast forward generations and centuries and we are still structuring our lives around that - such that we are ac…

>Its always bizarre that they don't have activities involving daylight first so that school could run into the dark and nobody would care because you are indoors anyway.

Exactly!

Your last sentence could not be more true.

The other problem is do you have any idea of how much bureaucratic nonsense would have to be changed in order to make one simple change such as changing the schedule of a school start and stop time.

It makes you wonder how hard it is to change things that may be of higher importance than this.

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