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My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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My path is one of the underappreciated hybrid: started in major metro (DC/NY/Boston) and moved to small town in the south after many years, finding good gigs offering remote work for DC-, NY-, and SF-based companies. Found a nice niche in security/ops/development in gov & healthcare tech. So, here goes: DB/Ops Engineering 1999: $60K base. Fresh out of masters program, large F50 DC gov tech firm (#1) 2001: $100K + $5K…

Thanks for sharing. After you (I assume) went remote while working for the same company, how did you go about getting new remote gigs at large tech companies? I’m remote now and would like to stay so, but I’m finding that companies that pay the sort of comp I’m looking for are often remote-averse.

every job (literally every job) has been through networking. I have never had a successful outcome by submitting through the normal HR channels. To your specific question, introduced to people I met online and at conferences. If you're okay traveling a few weeks every quarter, there are lots of opps. Check out, e.g., ops or dev advocate roles at MSFT, Google, GitHub, Cannonical, et al

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Work for Toronto-based company. Most of our developers work remote (in S. America, Europe, Asia, etc) and were discovered via Upwork. We've been growing, so all the good devs have been retained long term (12-24 months and counting). IOW, if you're good (decent tech chops + strong English communication), you can find long-term engagements via upwork in places that pay well.

The best engineers are likely not using that. Most of them get burned, and you're mostly left with engineers that are reallly good at marketing. I could be wrong. I tried it for a few months. I only got one question, and I basically helped a guy understand docker for free during the evaluation. I guess someone needs to start an upwork for serious people.

We did churn our share of low performers at the beginning. I'd say 5 of the first 10 hires stuck (most of the churn was us terminating the relationship). The ones that stayed were able to refer a friend or two.

Also, another downside: fraud. We ran into 2-3 folks who were operating outright scams, ranging from an agency posing as an individual, to identity / account theft.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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These threads always invite the outliers (i.e. those who want to humble brag). Here's mine outside Washington/California/Silicon Valley/NYC: - $40K: 2010-2013, "DevOps" at small startup. No ownership/shares. - $45-72K: 2014-Current, Programmer (various job titles) working for state's education department Even management here only make $90K capping out around $115K~. But cost of living is low. These threads never have…

I think I'm underpaid, but not grossly so. I earn $115,000/yr with 8 years of professional experience in Philadelphia. I have equity currently valued at ~$5,000. I also make an additional ~$10,000/yr in donations to my open source projects and an additional ~$5,000/yr through the occasional side gig. https://www.bestplaces.net/cost_of_living/city/pennsylvania/... I started my career at $30,000 in Colorado Springs. ht…

Do you like your company? I'm also in philly but can't seem to find a cool company to work for (I have a software job as is but have been looking). The city feels somewhat dry of interesting software companies.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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That's low compared to FAANG, but it's much higher, even adjusting for COL, than most of the "perfectly normal" lower salaries in these comments. That's not good: those lower salaries should be considered abnormally low; mine should be considered on the high end of average These are the "average" salaries across the industry in different metro areas: https://www.matrixres.com/salary-surveys As far as $200K being high…

>As far as $200K being high adjusted for COLA, in the burbs where I live. $330K gets you a house - brand new build in a top rated school system with five bedrooms, 3.5 baths, 3000 square feet with a yard, two car garage, and a separate nice size office. What does that get you in SV? Nobody actually plans on retiring in SF. When I'm done working here for 10 or 15 years I'll have enough to move and own a mansion in wha…

I think you may find it harder to relocate after 10-15 years. Your friends and community will be in SF, and leaving that, especially in your 40s can be very hard. When I moved in my early 20s, it took between 2-3 years to re-establish my friend networks and community in a new city. I would be hesitant to do that again. Kids make it even harder, as you may be pulling them away from their closest friends.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Throw away ID and first post. Some perspective from an old timer. All in the NYC financial disctrict. While finishing my college BS degree I was working at a major bank doing data entry, at the end supervising a night time data entry crew. This bank ran an internal training program for programmers, I applied and and started programming full time for them. - 1987-1992 43k-60k programmer Bank 1 (IBM mainframe, cobol, 3…

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Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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> I'm going to give up 15 years of my life -- the time that most people spend getting married, having 2.5 kids, etc. to live in SV -- when I could spend those fifteen years living in the burbs in a big house with the white picket fence in almost any other major city in the US? First of all I'm not "giving it up" and I have no desire for your lifestyle. It honestly sounds horrible. Enjoy your life.

I was hoping that the "2.5 kids" part would enforce that I'm not talking about me in particular since no one can have half a kid, but I was using the cliched "average number of kids per household".

Yes I understood it, can you simply not believe that somebody doesn't want to live in a generic neighborhood behind a white picket fence?

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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28, software engineer in the US.

2011-2014: $32,000. Montana Started as an internship, turned into a full time job with a $1/hour raise. More IT than software dev.

2014-2015: $48,000. Montana. Moved with a contract, last company went under.

2015: $70,000. Seattle. First "real" software job. Left 3 months later.

2015-2016: $85,000-$100,000. 20% bonus. Seattle. Series C startup.

2016-2017: $85,000. No bonus. Seattle. Seed funded startup. Took a pay cut because I thought they had something. They still might.

2017-2018: $120,000. 20% bonus. Seattle. Fortune 500. Great work/life balance.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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UK salaries are dire. When I moved from the UK to Canada my salary doubled and my expenses in the UK (Brighton) were actually higher than here in Canada. I could probably double my salary again moving to the US but I don't want to stay in a place that doesn't have a solid route to citizenship. The TN visas being temporary, non-dual intent and not allowing my spouse to work. Maybe my company will transfer me on an L1.…

What's funny is Canadians often lament their lousy salaries compared to their US counterparts. But I've found that by "US", they really mean "Silicon Valley". It's not a fair comparison. Also, quality of life matters and should be factored in.

I personally would prefer to live in Denver or Austin.

Re: My somewhat complete salary history as a software engineer

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Nice money at those big American companies. In Australia, you have to become a plumber to get to those levels :-)

Funny you should say that. So here's my situation: college diploma (massage, 2005-07), BSc (bio/psych, 2007-11), MSc (psych, 2013-15), MSc (econ/bus, 2018-19)... and yet my main money-maker continues to be massage because: 1. $110 CAD ($83 USD)/h 2. I set my own schedule, both weekly and time off (self-employed). 3. Zero stress: no one's ever stressed coming in, and I get to directly help people in pain. These people…

> Zero stress: no one's ever stressed coming in

Isn't stress a reason to go get a massage?

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