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MacBook Pro with faster performance and new features for pros

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Post by camdenlock »

dandare wrote: post #263
J0-nas wrote: post #133

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I wouldn't care about the touch bar if the esc+(sleep key) were still regular hardware keys. Those are the only ones that I actually use. But an even bigger problem for me is the price increase. The base TB version costs 200€ more (or 400€ if you'd buy the nTB 128gb version). With ne nTB version not getting the update, the updated MBP is too expensive compared to non Apple machienes.

I believe the price increase is purely based on the profit-maximizing strategy. If people will pay that much then Apple has no reason to ask for less. Unfortunately, I can not imagine myself switching to a Windows-based laptop. This is just another example of why monopoly is bad.

If you have the choice to purchase a comparable competing product, then it’s not a monopoly.

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Post by scarface74 »

chatmasta wrote: post #443
r0fl wrote: post #36

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They didn't do that because it is not what most people want. Apple has to make changes that will sell more laptops to the masses to maximize shareholder value. The niche developer/macrumors posters will never be happy regardless of what Apple does. Better to focus on the 90% of customers who buy products and make up 10% of the complaints then to focus on the 10% of customers who make up 90% of the complaints.

It’s a pretty important “niche” of customers though, since 100% of Apple’s App Store revenue is derived from apps built by users in that “niche”...

And users in that "niche" would build those apps using Macs whether it was their preference or not if the money was in it.

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Post by sgehly »

wilsonnb2 wrote: post #102
TimMeade wrote: post #81

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Identical desk setups at home and work. Carry it back and forth. Awesome setup actually.

What you really need is one of these fashionable carrying bags for the 27 inch iMac. https://www.amazon.com/Lavolta-Carrying-Case-Apple-27-inch/d...

This is the first comment to make me laugh on Hacker News in quite a while.

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Post by non-nil »

fhood wrote: post #405
non-nil wrote: post #392

The machines released today were obviously in the pipeline long before the most recent wave of Mac backlash, so it's probably a mistake to call them a response in any way. Still, when Apple spec out their base configs like this, at these prices? I find it hard not to get the message. The entire line is under-specced by about 50%, or $500 too expensive. Fix that, and I'd still mutter about the Touch Bar, but I'd do it…

I agree with your first statement, but apple products have always been too expensive. Eventually you just learn to live with it.

Absolutely, and I have been happy to pay that premium. Still am for some product categories (iPad). But a mid-2018 laptop for $2400 that comes with 256GB of storage?

Given what a small piece of the pie Mac sales now represent, their company wide profit margins would be infinitesimally affected by equipping their flagship laptop with at least a 512 GB stick.

Bill it to marketing if it helps, but Jesus, throw us a fucking bone.

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Post by slantyyz »

trevor-e wrote: post #514
slantyyz wrote: post #494

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I find it odd that "so many" reports are related to a grain of sand. I get a lot of dirt in my keyboards, but never sand. But maybe that's because I don't use a laptop on a beach or construction site? A grain of salt (ahem) would be much more believable.

Sand is everywhere, it doesn't require you to be at a beach or construction site. In the northeast, they salt/sand the roads every winter and plenty of it ends up inside my house. Not hard to believe that it can transfer to my hands/clothes and eventually my laptop.

My municipality even sands our sidewalks in the winter, but not a whole lot gets into my house past the shoe mat. But I kick my shoes/boots off vs using my hands, so maybe that's why.

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Post by danpalmer »

makecheck wrote: post #506

They need to take a page from “G4 Cube” and kill this entire product design , not tweak it. Touch Bar adds cost (both money and battery) for a net negative in functionality and has no external-keyboard equivalent. Wrong design, take it out. Machine is thin enough to cause unwanted trade-offs in capacity and performance. Wrong design, take it out. “Improved” keyboard means waiting more years to see if it breaks, where…

To play devils advocate...

- I rebound caps lock to ESC, it is noticeably more comfortable to type on.

- I use Touch ID loads, it makes having a long password much more practical for things like login/1Password.

- I don't use the Touchbar much, but for volume/screen brightness it's ok. Net positive with the above.

- I love typing on the keyboard, it's a significant improvement on the 2013 design for me, mine is fairly dusty, no issues. It also now has a 4 year (?) warranty.

- My battery life is noticeably better than with my 2013 laptop (despite that laptop having a battery in excellent health).

- It's fast, especially with the PCI-E SSD.

I really found very few trade-offs. It was maybe £150 more than I thought was a reasonable price, but that's < 10%.

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Post by Arubis »

rsync wrote: post #382
drewg123 wrote: post #121

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It is all what you're used to. I switched from a Linux KDE desktop to a Mac 11 years ago. I ended up switching back to Linux & KDE after about 6 months of use, and giving the Mac to my inlaws. What it came down to for me is that I've been using the same window manager shortcuts since the late 80s, and I can't make them work with OSX. Eg, I use focus-follows mouse, and some strange mouse-button + ALT key combos to mov…

"The loss of focus follows mouse is what really drove me nuts." This is a killer for me and I am trying to solve it currently ... I ran Snow Leopard from 2009-2018 and had FFM due to "mondomouse" but that is no longer published or supported. Now that I have upgraded (my 2009 mac pro) to Yosemite, I sort of have a FFM solution with a tool called dwellclick and one modification[1] but it's not perfect. HOWEVER, it appe…

https://ianyh.com/amethyst/ may actually do more than you want, but FFM is among its abilities.

(Free, OSS)

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Post by matwood »

mcrider wrote: post #155
pornel wrote: post #47

It's not possible to buy it without the TouchBar any more :( I really wanted to like it, and the concept could perhaps eventually be good, but the current implementation is infuriatingly bad: • I need more than one tap to change the brightness, volume or skip to the next song. • The buttons are in different locations depending on context, so it's not possible to use it by muscle memory. • TouchBar automatically goes…

My favorite is when my hands naturally come to rest near the top of the keyboard at least once a day they land on the brightness control in the touchbar and dim my screen to black.

I learned that while reading email and using "e" to archive that my pinky rests on the escape key. Took me a bit to realize why weird things were going on.

Other than that, I like the 2017 keyboard (assuming mine doesn't break) and touch bar.

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