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Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by andrewl-hn »

bad_user wrote: post #374

Just dropping a note in support of Firefox ... It's a great browser and I've came back to it even before the changes in Quantum, because the UI is better and it's also a browser I can trust to protect my interests. Just one thing to consider ... recently in Chrome 66 they introduced the means for cosmetic ads blocking via stylesheets that can no longer be overridden, as Google finally succumbed to demands for it. Fir…

Typical for me is to have Firefox as a default browser - all links from external apps like email, Slack, etc. is opened there. But when I do web development I open the page I work on in Chrome. When I need to search Stackoverflow or MDN I switch to Firefox.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by GusRuss89 »

latexr wrote: post #484
kees99 wrote: post #478

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> website which is "best viewed with Chrome" I'm stunned. Is this still a thing? Last time I remember seeing websites recommending a browser, it was late 90s with "get Netscape" gifs.

Not only is it still a thing, Google itself is a major culprit of it. Seems like every new experiment they release is “best viewed” in — or worse, “requires” — Google Chrome.

Well yeah, if it's an experiment that demonstrates a feature that Firefox doesn't support then of course it will be best viewed in Chrome. Experiments shouldn't count here.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by keypress »

logicallee wrote: post #501
detaro wrote: post #493

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I'm writing this from a 2016 Thinkpad with 508 open tabs in Chrome. works. (wouldn't work if turned off the ad-blocker, but why would I do that...) Firefox does it at least as well, just having both open is a bit much.

(withdrawn)

I have a Chromium install without an ad blocker. And it takes one bad out of control page with a shitty advert, to down my entire machine. Something like: outlook.com.

(Doesn't matter if I have 2 or 100 tabs if there is one bad apple.)

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by PurpleRamen »

bovine3dom wrote: post #444
PurpleRamen wrote: post #435

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Tridactyl (and all similar addons) will only be a bad replacement as long as they are limited to inject code in loaded sites to fetch keys. The problems emerging from this are really bad.

Yeah, I see where you're coming from. cmcaine started on an extension to the WebExtension API [1] that would fix that, but progress has stalled. It got preliminary approval and was split up into loads of bugs on Bugzilla at which point we all got a bit lost. If you feel very strongly about it, perhaps you could pick up the baton? Part of the reason I haven't done so is because I disagree with you - Tridactyl is prett…

This is sad on so many levels... If I understand this correctly: Firefox sucks now because they want everything asynchronus, to the point that they are even unable to implement something as simple as a reliable key-event-api? And you think it's ok because it's not the worst problem around if users of a keyboard-first-interface are forced to often use the mouse or botherd with regulary hiccups in the workflow?

OK, I understand that your priorities are different, and this problems seems quite hard to solve, considering how many problems other addons have with the enforced async-architecture. But just accepting the clusterfuck and live with it is really sad.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by [deleted] »

Vinnl wrote: post #376
a_imho wrote: post #365

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Disagree, there are many ways to financial stability besides taking money from a direct competitor. Are they that cash strapped?

They would be if the revenue from search engine deals fell away. They've been experimenting with different, user-respecting sources of funding (and still are), but also have to face with enormous amounts of backlash every time they do, so finding alternative funding is not as simple as you make it out to be.

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Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by filomeno »

scaryclam wrote: post #514
kees99 wrote: post #478

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> website which is "best viewed with Chrome" I'm stunned. Is this still a thing? Last time I remember seeing websites recommending a browser, it was late 90s with "get Netscape" gifs.

Yep. You can't use google hangouts without chrome. I've seen other websites (non-google) doing the same. Chrome is the new IE it seems :(

Well, at least this new IE is open-source, cross-platform, and way better than that browser which reached a 90% usage peak some time ago.

Joking aside, I've never really known the difference between Google Talk, Hangouts, etc, but I regularly chat with my contacts from the Gmail website, using Firefox, without any problem so far.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by detaro »

logicallee wrote: post #501
detaro wrote: post #493

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm writing this from a 2016 Thinkpad with 508 open tabs in Chrome. works. (wouldn't work if turned off the ad-blocker, but why would I do that...) Firefox does it at least as well, just having both open is a bit much.

(withdrawn)

Opened up Firefox too and ctrl-tabbed around a bit to cause it to actually load some pages (hundreds of open tabs too, similar uBlock setup), and Windows reports

Chrome 5.3 GB

Firefox 4.2 GB

I couldn't find a tally of where Windows applies its "memory compression" logic, to be honest I don't even know what exactly it does, but let's assume it's some background task and it did more to Chrome than to Firefox since Chrome had been running longer.

So yes, Chrome needs noticeably more memory, and I prefer Firefox overall, but both can handle tons of tabs in my experience. Chrome also appears to be more responsive under pressure, I assume this is because it splits work into lots more processes than Firefox does, which is both probably a memory drain and a security benefit.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by andrewaylett »

Mayzie wrote: post #351
didgeoridoo wrote: post #3

Ironically, the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system that I found necessary to manage being logged into multiple Google Apps accounts simultaneously (I have five ). Each tab owns one account — that way, Google Drive files from my work don't randomly refuse to open because I'm also logged into my personal account. (Chrome has no solution for containing accounts across tabs, last I…

> the thing that drove me to Firefox was the excellent Account Containers system Though unfortunately, history and bookmarks are not isolated to their individual containers, and Firefox's profile management system is a PITA compared to Chrome's easy button in the title bar.

As a counterpoint, in my use of Containers I'm very happy that history and bookmarks are shared.

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by firepoet »

auslander wrote: post #519

> And both support uBlock Origin, the ad blocker recommended by many security experts. Finally a big media outlet with the right advice, the only extension you need is uBO. And a wrong one - using 1Password [0]. KeepassXC is safer, but hey, baby steps, right? :)) Chrome is snitching to Google, IE is Windows I stopped using, Safari is best, if you're rich :) Other browsers are too rare - easy for fingerprinting. [0] w…

Dang. I just switched from KeepassX from Enpass, and this article doesn't mention anything about them. Have to say the experience in Enpass is far superior to KeepassX, but I get that security is quite important!

If I had data that Enpass was full of holes, I'd switch back instantly!

Re: Firefox is back. It's time to give it a try

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Post by [deleted] »

keypress wrote: post #523
logicallee wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

(withdrawn)

I have a Chromium install without an ad blocker. And it takes one bad out of control page with a shitty advert, to down my entire machine. Something like: outlook.com. (Doesn't matter if I have 2 or 100 tabs if there is one bad apple.)

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