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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by reubenswartz »

lostgame wrote: post #391
reubenswartz wrote: post #306

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Yeah, I think a similar video played before the start of the show, about how you paid all this money to be here, why see it through a small screen as if you were on YouTube, combined with a few people actually getting kicked out, would work wonders. They can have a moment in the show for everyone who "needs" a picture or a brief video can take one. And just let everyone know that the whole show will be on YouTube in…

>> And just let everyone know that the whole show will be on YouTube in good quality later-- no need to take your own. Um, it increases costs a lot to film a show, you realize this, right? And if the show was available on YouTube for free, don't you think it would potentially impact sales?

It does increase costs, and not everyone will want to do it or have the means. But it doesn't have to be a full on video production. It can just be a phone mounted near the soundboard, plugged into the soundboard, so you can actually get great sound. I love listening to "live" music on YouTube, but it's not a replacement for actually attending a show.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by culot »

titzer wrote: post #467
aerovistae wrote: post #443

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Don't be ridiculous. Fear of terrorism is not the only factor. Cellphones are one of the past century's greatest contributions to public safety. If you want to be antagonistic about the threat of a bombing, how about a more commonplace example: you're a very drunk young girl who's been separated from her friends at the concert and a pushy, aggressive guy you don't know is trying to get you into his car to go home wit…

> Or how about this? > Or how about this? > Don't act like cellphones have no practical use sigh Humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years without cellphones. For any new tech, you can continually imagine scenarios where survival "absolutely depends on" having this tech. How about this? You're sitting in your ISS sleep capsule and suddenly the station starts to depressurize. You hop into your reentry-sa…

There should be some sort of public phone that people can use, perhaps in booth format. Or maybe some sort of minimal electronic device where text messages can be passed, where you could, in essence, 'page' someone. Hmmm.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by culot »

kbenson wrote: post #417
foolfoolz wrote: post #210

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i think the whole point is not being able to check your phone adds to the human experience

I think the counterpoint is that for some people, the more human experience is not a selling point, and actually a fairly large negative. Beyond the points laid out before, I have multiple children and multiple pets, and I'm the some person responsible for the technology stack at my small company which (means I'm on call for somewhat infrequent but not unheard of issues). Not being allowed my phone might just mean "e…

You cannot expect hardened smartphone addicts to follow directives that crossgrain their addiction. The only reason harsh policies like this are being enacted is because wrist-slaps and pleas do not work.

It basically boils down to: if you want to go to the concert, you set aside the smartphone for a while. If not, don't go.

> what it really means is "a late 1990's to early 2000's experience"

Calling it a 'human experience' seems rather apt. When you're plugged into your smartphone frequently, you're not plugged into now; when you're playing on your computer instead of experiencing your immediate surroundings, it'd be more apt that to say that you're not partaking in the human experience, but an internet experience.

'Human experience' is apt, just like 'internet experience' would be apt for those that choose computer interaction.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by [deleted] »

ballenf wrote: post #353
gknoy wrote: post #268

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Let's imagine that my child is at a party or other social engagement and they want deniable reason to escape. [0] There may be excessive peer pressure, illegal activity, or any other pre-arranged reason they may need to bail on something without incurring the loss of face that could be socially devastating. If I have my phone, they can text me with some pre-arranged message ("x"), and I will feign an emergency and ge…

I don't get the perspective of people who want to have kids and ask the world to accommodate them so that they don't have to make any sacrifices along the way. Going to an event where you won't have access to your phone is maybe something you can't do while having kids of a certain age. But they'll grow up and then you can again. It's kind of selfish to ask that no musician have this policy because you want to be abl…

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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by [deleted] »

mikeash wrote: post #517
titzer wrote: post #467

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> Or how about this? > Or how about this? > Don't act like cellphones have no practical use sigh Humans have survived for hundreds of thousands of years without cellphones. For any new tech, you can continually imagine scenarios where survival "absolutely depends on" having this tech. How about this? You're sitting in your ISS sleep capsule and suddenly the station starts to depressurize. You hop into your reentry-sa…

I find this argument supremely unconvincing. It’s true that humanity survived, but people died in all sorts of awful and now preventable ways. This argument could be used to argue against vaccines, sanitation, or good nutrition. Is that where you want to be? When it comes to safety, I want to set the bar somewhat above “this will not literally drive the species to extinction.”

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Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by lotharbot »

DrScump wrote: post #401
lotharbot wrote: post #371

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> "I have a hard time imagining one" Someone mentioned above that, in the event of a fire alarm and being separated from your group, being able to reconnect with them is important. Particularly for vulnerable people (whether due to age, health reasons, or being someone who might be targeted for violence or harassment), being separated from your group for a long time can be a safety issue.

being able to reconnect with them is important Wouldn't you all be meeting at the place where you reclaim your phones anyway?

in the context of having to leave the building due to a fire alarm, no, you're not meeting them back inside the building at the phone re-collection point (or in this case one of the phone unlock mechanisms). At least not immediately.

As I mentioned in another comment, it's possible you've never taken someone with a disability or social dysfunction to their first-ever concert, knowing that it's partly enabled by the fact that you can easily reconnect if you get separated (by the crowd, bathroom lines, a fire alarm, etc.) Take away that extra measure of safety and security, and the majority of people can "just deal with it", but people with certain disabilities or vulnerabilities are going to have to opt out.

Personally, I'd rather work to be inclusive. Use social norms, not technological lockouts, to get people to put their phones away.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by culot »

thecatspaw wrote: post #459
nicky0 wrote: post #335

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If you live inside a Hollywood action movie, yes.

"hey the dangerous stalker you have had since 5 years found out you are going to this concert." Does it still sound like hollywood?

Translation: I'm unwilling to put down my phone, and I will conjure any number of nightmare scenarios to justify my addiction.

Or, perhaps, some people are truly terrified to be away from their smartphones. That is itself a scary thought.

If a person's smartphone is removed from the picture for some reason, how would they be able to function? If the cell network went down, would the crowd descend into mindless chaos? There are no more pay phones, no more cozy landlines, so how would people manage if there were an emergency?

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by culot »

warent wrote: post #186
jlg23 wrote: post #154

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In case of an emergency people should follow staff's directions; preferably without being glued to their phones and without disrupting any ongoing rescue attempts by trying to take a good video... The only relevant exception are professionals on call (i.e. doctors, police etc) - and they'll make the conscious decision to not attend such a concert unless explicitly exempted from the phone ban. Everybody else may vote…

To be fair, an abduction won't really have any staff guidance

True, that would require a very particular set of skills.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by kbenson »

culot wrote: post #523
kbenson wrote: post #417

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I think the counterpoint is that for some people, the more human experience is not a selling point, and actually a fairly large negative. Beyond the points laid out before, I have multiple children and multiple pets, and I'm the some person responsible for the technology stack at my small company which (means I'm on call for somewhat infrequent but not unheard of issues). Not being allowed my phone might just mean "e…

You cannot expect hardened smartphone addicts to follow directives that crossgrain their addiction. The only reason harsh policies like this are being enacted is because wrist-slaps and pleas do not work. It basically boils down to: if you want to go to the concert, you set aside the smartphone for a while. If not, don't go. > what it really means is "a late 1990's to early 2000's experience" Calling it a 'human expe…

> 'Human experience' is apt, just like 'internet experience' would be apt for those that choose computer interaction.

Depending on what you're doing on your phone, I would say it's the ultimate human experience, an almost constant connection to a global community. What's more human than being part of a community?

I think the problem is that people assume that more human is better, when any extreme generally has some downsides. Constant connection to the group has its problems. Being spread between many groups and streaming to keep up to date with their news can spread people thin and stress them out.

> You cannot expect hardened smartphone addicts to follow directives that crossgrain their addiction. The only reason harsh policies like this are being enacted is because wrist-slaps and pleas do not work.

I think couching it in terms of addiction and people's inability to control themselves is taking it too far and brushing any problems under the rug. Establish norms. Enforce compliance. Once someone gets kicked out of a concert they spent $100 or more on, they'll think about it before doing it again, and likely do will anyone they tell the story too.

Re: Jack White bans phones at gigs for “100% human experience”

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Post by hungerstrike »

always_good wrote: post #205
hungerstrike wrote: post #135

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Oh thank you! I corrected that caps now but I wasn't even talking about the guidelines. I was talking about how the vast majority of HN users don't want anyone to use the downvote button as a disagree button, which is quite evident when you search for: downvote disagree site:ycombinator.com Also, I didn't comment about the downvotes on my comment. I said "it's kinda like X". Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of…

> Anyway, you completely ignored the bulk of my comment. So, I'll continue to rest assured that my logic is sound and that nobody can really argue against it. Thanks! If you want to really feel right, go to a mall and start blurting out whatever opinions you have to everyone. Everyone will just avoid you and walk on by because they agree with you so much.

Why would I want to share my opinions with the average moron? I, don't need any external validation for my logical reasoning thank you very much :)

That's something that the average person needs, so you must be one of those since you suggested it.

Do you think the world is full of smart people? Bwahahahahaha! Nope.

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