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Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by hungerstrike »

roblabla wrote: post #486
hungerstrike wrote: post #353

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This is the most petty complaint about Windows that I've heard because every consumer-oriented OS has these type of "advertisements". Heck, on iOS not only am I forced to look at apps that I don't want, I am also forced to use them ! On the Macintosh OS, whenever I want to see what updates are available, I have to first look at the featured apps in their store. Even Ubuntu installs a shit-load of crappy programs that…

https://imgur.com/a/TthvX Every OS has this ? I mean, this is literally windows putting ads on the equivalent of the IOS launcher. No OS does that ! I don't really care about the built-in crapware (well, I do, but let's save this for another debate). That the OS actively fights for the user's attention is ridiculous. I don't really mind "ads" for their built-in products. The Edge popup[0] was almost cute, the OneDriv…

Again...at least you can turn off suggestions and you'll never see them again.

Apple gives you no choice to even replace certain apps that they desperately want to force onto users!

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by stouset »

komali2 wrote: post #473
maxxxxx wrote: post #452

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"Warning: This installer is attempting to replace core Windows files. Do you want to allow it to do this?" This better but in reality most users will still have no clue what it means.

And the software can just put in the installer "click 'Yes' on any windows messages to install."

They don't even need to do this. Users will literally just click "Yes" to anything obstructing their path forward.

http://i.imgur.com/H0uVqFe.jpg

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by api »

roblabla wrote: post #134
raesene6 wrote: post #126

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I agree, the good thing about Apple and Microsoft is I know what they want to sell me. Apple want me to buy relatively expensive devices on a regular basis and ideally a cloud subscription. Microsoft want me to buy subscriptions to their cloud services and ideally devices running their OS. In both cases the value for them is fairly clear and they have limited incentives to do anything that might jepordise those reven…

And yet, microsoft started incorporating ads inside of windows 10. The business models helps, but if you can both sell a product and get ad revenue, why wouldn't you ? In apple's case, they have a fairly small but dedicated marketshare that cares deeply about those issue. That's why I trust them to not sabotage their product. Microsoft has a monopoly, they don't need to care.

Apple: an imaginary version of you in the minds of it's design team is the customer.

Microsoft: the OEM is the customer.

Google: advertisers are the customer and you are the product.

Linux: its own developers are the customers.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Terretta »

4ad wrote: post #428
Terretta wrote: post #413

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Yep. I've seen UTC. And I'm invariably the only geek whose photos are timestamped in UTC because I set devices that way (except for phones which I can't), or who knows that the metadata doesn't even record the TZ until a recent EXIF standard update, 2.31 released last fall, added support. Wikipedia still says "There is no way to record time-zone information along with the time, thus rendering the stored time ambiguou…

> Wikipedia still says "There is no way to record time-zone information along with the time, thus rendering the stored time ambiguous." It'll be a while for cameras to catch up. Apple Photos sorts photos by UTC, today, I assume by using the GPS information inside EXIF. There is no confusion between photos taken in different time zones. I do a lot of photography from jets, and the photos are sorted just fine, while th…

I’m talking about many people with diverse cameras.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Terretta »

4ad wrote: post #442
zeusk wrote: post #426

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> Wikipedia still says "There is no way to record time-zone information along with the time, thus rendering the stored time ambiguous." It'll be a while for cameras to catch up. Most of my friends and family take their photos with Android, iOS devices and Google Photos seems to have fixed this issue and all of my photos have a timezone field. Here is an example of a recent one: https://i.imgur.com/8AFgKs3.jpg

Not sure how it's done, but I also don't have this problem on iOS. Apple Photos seems to sort by UTC, not sure if it uses embedded TZ in photos or the GPS in EXIF, but whatever it's using, it seems to work fine for me.

I’m talking about many people with diverse cameras.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by epicide »

manmal wrote: post #506
epicide wrote: post #458

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To add to this: the Nexus 5 was released a month after the 5S. That phone got its last official update last year, I believe. It was also discontinued a full year before the 5S. Granted, the 5S started at 4GB for 500 USD and the Nexus 5 started at 16GB for 350 USD. Still, it's hard to support the "planned obsolescence" argument. Edit: grammar.

How does your argument about Android vs iPhone affect my Mac vs iPhone argument? Macs have taken a performance hit with Yosemite, but have improved ever since, while old iPhones become more sluggish with every release.

I would generally expect new features designed for newer hardware to run worse on older phones. However, I'll agree that some releases are less about features and more about stability and performance.

Admittedly, I can't really speak to how older phones feel after some of the updates. The oldest iPhone I have is the original iPhone 6 and I haven't tried it on iOS 11 yet (currently using the iPhone SE, which _seems_ to run better on iOS 11).

I don't see how you can really say that sluggish is _worse_ than N/A. Worst case scenario, you just don't update, which is no worse than not getting the update in the first place.

Edit: clarity.

Edit2:

I realized I'm not really addressing your point.

I think there are some pretty big differences that make it hard to compare phone OS releases to computer OS releases.

Mobile devices have a much smaller margin for performance. They don't handle multitasking terribly well. These two things mean that the OS doesn't end up affecting the performance of a phone as much as apps and websites do.

One poorly developed app can destroy the performance of the entire phone (even without the app running in the foreground). None of this is true for a non-mobile device.

I definitely wish we would see more performance-focused iOS releases, but I don't think it has gotten to the "planned" obsolescence point as much as just "regular" obsolescence. Hard to say.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by Terretta »

4ad wrote: post #447
Terretta wrote: post #403

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FWIW, all these reasons are why I pay Flickr. I attempted over the years to use the various incarnations of Google's photos but they consistently mangled pictures, canceled / renamed / migrated services, bungled who gets to see what under what Google Accounts, etc., until I was browbeaten into conceding defeat. I think you missed the point on sorting by time. If multiple people are at an event, you lose the informati…

> FWIW, all these reasons are why I pay Flickr. I am very happy to pay someone to take care of my problems and I am a big fan in general of paying for software and services. Not sure exactly how Flickr would help me though, but I will take a look at Flickr. Does it integrate with the iOS/macOS photo library? Basically if I make an album in Photos on an iPhone, does it get synced up as an album by the flickr app, or d…

> haven't seem a wrong time on a mobile device in probably over a decade.

Not talking about mobile devices. Talking about cameras.

A dozen of us from work flew to have lunch at Noma in Denmark. We combined pictures after. There were nearly as many wrong times as there were people in the group. No software could have machine sorted these.

> Flickr

Flickr integrates with camera roll to upload originals in background but you manage albums and sharing in their app or web, and share via URLs or app. Only you have to be a member.

Re: MacOS High Sierra

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Post by feelin_googley »

https://eclecticlight.co/2017/09/24/high-sierra-automaticall...

Posted to HN over the weekend so few have probably seen it.

One user referred to this "feature" as "beyond creepy".

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15326924

Tweets from the developer were quickly removed from Twitter.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170924180858/https://twitter.c...

"1. Xeno Kovah(A design requirement we were given early on by Privacy was that we can't just scoop up everyone's firmware and send it back for analysis

1. Xeno Kovah(In my perfect world we would have rolled this out way back in 10.12 as just a silent data collector"

Once again, remote, "silent data collect[ion]" from all users, in this case from a hidden partition on user-owned hardware, is on by default. Nor is user asked for consent.

This is not meant to be "alarmist".

EFI is an open specification. Anyone can write EFI applications and anyone can use EFI type partitions for whatever purposes they like, assuming that the computer belongs to them, i.e. they paid for it. EFI usage is not exclusively reserved for companies like Apple.

Perhaps if the remote check was on a more familiar partition type where more familiar files are stored, the privacy issue might be better illustrated.

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