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Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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As Andy Glew said, "Only the paranoid survive." I was part of a section laid off en masse under similar circumstances. Our group got a paper "award" for cross-team collaboration, and the partner group got to keep their jobs. The severance was decent, and my new job pays twice as much, so I've got that going for me, which is nice.

you mean Andy Grove?

Indeed I did. Sorry, Andies.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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There is no way in hell I would prefer that AMD chip in my system over an all-Intel system. AMD are just terrible to use in Linux and most people around here want the ability to run that natively without issue. Not to mention the added complication of tacking that AMD chip onto the laptop both from an engineering / reliability stance and software complication. You missed the irony of your 45watts as a heavy burden. A…

Your loss man. The benchmarks don't lie. Good luck with your overpriced Crystalwell failure. If you got actual benchmark scores to talk about, please respond to me here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11536519 But I actually know the benchmarks of everything you're talking about like the back of my hand. Your argument has no technical legs to stand on what-so-ever. Don't feel bad if I'm just calling out your Bu…

Wait, what are you talking about? That was in no way a response to what I said to you here. You don't need to change the topic just because you're wrong and you know it.

No one wants that AMD chip in their Macbook. It adds complexity both in engineering and software. There's PLENTY to talk about technically there and why that's a good idea. Not to mention Intel's best-in-class Linux support.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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>Besides, NVMe SSDs are expensive Yes. If you're bargain hunting for gaming hardware you should just buy a console. Or, if you're seriously suggesting to put an Intel 750 into some old system like SandyBridge.. no comment. I would never recommend someone bother doing that. Step up to an NVME setup, Skylake and do it right. Skylake i5 setups can be had for cheap. You're just arguing to argue on that point. Whether or…

I can't find Iris Pro 580 on benchmark sites, because no gamer gives a care about that for gaming. The Iris Pro 5200 GT3e achieves Passmark 1,174. http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=Intel... If Iris Pro 580 GT4e is twice as good (Intel only claims 50% better), that's still not very good. Thats utterly awful actually. A $100 GPU is the R7 360, just off the top of my head. http://www.newegg.com/Prod…

"Bro", "dude", "man". So I know I'm talking to some little kid at least.

But I have to say, anti-AMD! Yes, very perceptive as I type this on a machine with a Radeon in it. Consider the fact that other people can criticize products they have extensive knowledge with.

Judging from the rest of your response, my post went completely over your head. And quite the troll as you try to change the points I made in attempt to "win" the argument. But it is amusing hearing some kid saying Intel's 20% IPC boost from SB to SL as awful shows how much you don't know. I have friends that work at Intel. Go back to PC Gamer as you have no idea what you're talking about. Some dumb kid sees ONLY 20% with massive power reductions, doesn't realize that computers can do more than just play video games.

You also failed reading comprehension and the ability to hold a conversation. Congrats. But either way, there's no way around the fact that in 2 1/2 weeks I'll be benchmarking a R9 Fury to an i7-6770HQ with PCIE NVME SSD, some DDR4 and absolutely crushing any SandyBridge system you own.

Enjoy your old ES-2670 and SandyBridge with an Intel 750. What a total fruitcake. Better use of your time is to go read about logical fallacies as you just spent an hour typing about a strawman you created to beat on with points I never made.

What you want to hear because you just want to argue- you're right, I'm wrong. Hope you feel better now. I'm not giving you any more help. I get it, you like your poverty gaming rig. See ya kid.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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This is largely a problem because of the pitiful savings rate in the US. If you've been saving 0% of your pay, being laid off at 50 is a disaster. If you've been saving 30-50%, this is likely to be a non-issue. Highly paid people in this country spend way too much of the money they earn.

Not only in the US, and not only because of being "highly paid" but "spending too much". In most of the world, including large parts of western Europe, unless you're upper middle class and higher, it's either hand-to-mouth or smallish savings (nowhere near 30%).

Which parts of western Europe?

I see via google that minimum wage in Germany is 1473 euros per month for a full time worker.

According to [1], food, housing, necessary household items, and public transportation look like they could reasonably total less than 800 euros per person. Add another 100 for having fun and for the occasional wardrobe expense, and you still get to save nearly 40%.

Having children ruins all of this, of course, but that's pretty easy to avoid.

[1] https://www.expatistan.com/cost-of-living/berlin

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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The base Macbook Pro 15" uses Crystalwell and has no dGPU.

Yeah, but would you seriously recommend it over the AMD Tonga (R9 M370X on the upscaled version)? The 45W i7 is a heavy burden to carry with Crystalwell. Might as well get better graphics if you're going for the 15" Pro.

It's actually kind of annoying to have graphics card switching - it caused a number of problems in my old 15" MBP, to the point that I opted for integrated this time.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Not only in the US, and not only because of being "highly paid" but "spending too much". In most of the world, including large parts of western Europe, unless you're upper middle class and higher, it's either hand-to-mouth or smallish savings (nowhere near 30%).

Which parts of western Europe? I see via google that minimum wage in Germany is 1473 euros per month for a full time worker. According to [1], food, housing, necessary household items, and public transportation look like they could reasonably total less than 800 euros per person. Add another 100 for having fun and for the occasional wardrobe expense, and you still get to save nearly 40%. Having children ruins all of…

Germans save around 9 to 11% of their disposable income, of which the average (post taxes) amount is around 25-30.000. This puts their annual savings to around $2200 to $3300.

That's nowhere near being able to save 30-40% of your pay, as the parent said. And Germans are some of the biggest savers in Europe. For places like France, crisis stricken "PIIGS" (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece etc) and especially the UK it's even worse.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Which parts of western Europe? I see via google that minimum wage in Germany is 1473 euros per month for a full time worker. According to [1], food, housing, necessary household items, and public transportation look like they could reasonably total less than 800 euros per person. Add another 100 for having fun and for the occasional wardrobe expense, and you still get to save nearly 40%. Having children ruins all of…

Germans save around 9 to 11% of their disposable income, of which the average (post taxes) amount is around 25-30.000. This puts their annual savings to around $2200 to $3300. That's nowhere near being able to save 30-40% of your pay, as the parent said. And Germans are some of the biggest savers in Europe. For places like France, crisis stricken "PIIGS" (Italy, Spain, Portugal, Greece etc) and especially the UK it's…

There's a large difference between being able to and choosing to save that much. I didn't say that it was the norm, but it's certainly possible if you have a near-median salary. Not doing so is a choice if you make a reasonably good salary, albeit an extremely common one that most people don't make consciously. It requires consciously tracking your spending, and being willing to forgo or at least cut back on some of the luxuries that have become much more common in the US and presumably Europe in the past 30 years (like eating out frequently). In return, you can get better financial security, even without an astronomical salary.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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"decimation" is also the word with meaning. "nonation" is just turning "nineth" into a verb and then somewhat of a gerund, like "ninething". Without the historical context, it has little meaning.

Yet that is exactly the pattern used by decimation. decimus (tenth) + -ate (convert to verb) = decimate decimus (tenth) + -ation (resulting state of -ate form) = decimation It could be used with any Latin-rooted ordinal number. Primate, secundate, tertiate, quartate, quintate, sextate, septimate, octavate, nonate, decimate, undecimate, dodecimate. Primate, secundate, tertiate, and octavate have meanings other than ei…

> should be understood easily enough

I think you'll find you have an easier time communicating if you stick to terms that people have heard before, even if they're slightly less accurate than new creations.

Of course, if you're trying to get famous, you should absolutely invent new words. Take Thomas Friedman's "glocalization". That one didn't do so well. Steven Colbert's "truthiness", that was a gem.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Me as well, I built an i5-2500K system backend 2010(ish), it's still my main home desktop, 32GB RAM and an SSD and it's as fast as the machine at work that is two generations newer (or more correct it's imperceptibly slower). Things have really levelled out for average loads even developer loads (mostly do web dev, run vagrant machines that kind of thing). I can't see me upgrading til this thing dies tbh.

What you folks are saying is mostly true. VR and 4K are the drivers for a whole new compute cycle in the home. I think the current core counts for Xeon are good enough for cloud (by this I mean that I think CPU isn't the bottleneck for the average EC2, Google Compute, Azure instance). Any one care to comment?

As a software developer I constantly find myself optimizing and scaling across CPU's. Sure those programs I optimized 10 years ago run blazingly fast now. But as computers got faster the possibilities and expectations also increased.

I would like to compare CPU's with roads: Roads increase traffic, not the other way around. So if you make a faster CPU, the demand for a faster CPU increases.

So if Intel stops making faster CPU's, the demand will (unexpectedly) go down.

Re: Intel to Cut 12,000 Jobs, Forecast Misses Amid PC Blight

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Yet that is exactly the pattern used by decimation. decimus (tenth) + -ate (convert to verb) = decimate decimus (tenth) + -ation (resulting state of -ate form) = decimation It could be used with any Latin-rooted ordinal number. Primate, secundate, tertiate, quartate, quintate, sextate, septimate, octavate, nonate, decimate, undecimate, dodecimate. Primate, secundate, tertiate, and octavate have meanings other than ei…

> should be understood easily enough I think you'll find you have an easier time communicating if you stick to terms that people have heard before, even if they're slightly less accurate than new creations. Of course, if you're trying to get famous, you should absolutely invent new words. Take Thomas Friedman's "glocalization". That one didn't do so well. Steven Colbert's "truthiness", that was a gem.

I refuse to participate in the evisceration of English vocabulary. If you can't guess the meaning of an unfamiliar English word from context, your working vocabulary simply isn't large enough. A staggeringly large quantity of English words are derived from common elements filched or inherited from Greek, Latin, Old Norse, Anglo-Saxon, and Norman.

Knowing the root words are sufficient to both guess the meaning of many of the 600k+ English words that are in the dictionary, but not typically used, and to formulate new, English-sounding words with intuitively obvious meanings. This is similar to knowing the IUPAC chemical naming rules, which allow chemists to name molecules in such a way that other chemists will know how it is structured, just by reading the name. (Z)-Hex-3-en-1-ol, for instance: hex means the longest carbon chain is 6 atoms long, 3-en means there is a double bond following the 3rd carbon, (Z) means it is in cis configuration, and 1-ol means there is an -OH alcohol group on the first carbon in place of a hydrogen. English is less formally structured, but it still has rules.

Truthiness = truth + -y (similar to) + -ness (quality of being)

Therefore, truthiness is the quality of being similar to truth, which is as Colbert's character described it. It follows the rules. It reads like an English word with unambiguous meaning, and is therefore adopted as though it already was an English word.

Glocalization = global + local + -ize (convert to verb) + -ation (state resulting from the verb action)

This smashes two dissimilar words (global, local) into one portmanteau that has ambiguous, unclear meaning (glocal), and then tries to extend it with regular English suffixes. Portmanteaus are less readily adopted without literary backup. Dodgson's frumious (furious + fuming) never would have made it without the Bandersnatch, and slithy (slimy + lithe) required a bit of explanation from Humpty Dumpty. Needless to say, Dodgson was much better at it than Friedman.

This is why I like to say that people who know English well are sesquilingual, because you need to know a little bit of several other languages to know that many of the words.

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