The Yale Problem Begins in High School • Hacker News Board

Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by caskance » Tue, Dec 01, 2015, 1:19 PM UTC

TeMPOraL wrote: post #166

cozuya wrote: post #149

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I view HN as a forum for professionals so I don't make comments that could negatively impact my professional life here. In that way I think self censure is fine. If you don't agree with my assessment thats fine as well of course. Of course most of the sparse comments I make here are dumb jokes...

The point is, thanks to Social Justice Warriors, you never know what comment could affect your career. Expressing opinion about merits of Angular.js is probably safe. But anything that involves gender - a study, or a remark about distribution of men and women in tech industry - is not to be touched with a ten foot pole if you value your employability. It takes very little to become a victim of a Twitter outrage.

Contrary to your first comment, it sounds like you know very well which comments could affect your career.

Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by naturalrecursin » Wed, Dec 02, 2015, 5:02 AM UTC

thelastguy wrote: post #509

curiouss wrote: post #508

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Are you fighting a lot of tigers and rapists these days?

Well, rape culture is a huge problem on campus these days. Also, just look at ISIS. Whenever they conquered a new place, they rape and sold all the women/girls into slavery. You seriously don't think rape exist anymore?

Levels of rape are actually significantly lower on university campuses compared to the general population.

Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by naturalrecursin » Wed, Dec 02, 2015, 5:34 AM UTC

coreyp_1 wrote: post #137

This directly relates to us in tech. Specifically, there is a huge push to reach out to women and girls in CS. I am not opposed to females in CS at all. I will encourage males and females alike to pursue it, because I see CS as the great equalizer; the only thing that matters is what you produce. What I can't stand are these "Women in technology" conferences and workshops to "close the (gender) gap". Why? Because if…

My university has about 60/40 split between women and men, so yea women are the majority by a lot. In our CS department though it is something like 70/30 men to women. I kid you not that I get emails every week discussing the next fundraiser/meeting on promoting women in tech. We even have a "focus on women in technology" committee. And no there is not a single peep about promoting men in any of the other faculties.

For some reason the gender gap in technology is way more important then any other gender gap but no one ever gives a reason as to why.

Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Dec 02, 2015, 6:42 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #510

sinxoveretothex wrote: post #494

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> It said bad actions shouldn't be tolerated. What do you mean by not tolerating if not stifling? If you look at the Mizzou and Yale things, stifling is exactly the right word: "we're just walking forward", "we can't hear you" and others. > You seem to hold a revisionist historical view that the civil rights movement was entirely unproductive, even though it was unpopular at the start (again, morality doesn't depend…

Once again, you're pretending I said things that I didn't actually say. I said that certain bad actions should not be tolerated . Where you get stifling from this, I don't know. In particular, your first post claimed that we shouldn't be intolerant of people implementing (not merely talking about) Biblical punishments on gays, which is what I claimed that our society rightfully would very harshly not tolerate, just a…

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Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by sinxoveretothex » Wed, Dec 02, 2015, 6:53 AM UTC

lern_too_spel wrote: post #510

sinxoveretothex wrote: post #494

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It said bad actions shouldn't be tolerated. What do you mean by not tolerating if not stifling? If you look at the Mizzou and Yale things, stifling is exactly the right word: "we're just walking forward", "we can't hear you" and others. > You seem to hold a revisionist historical view that the civil rights movement was entirely unproductive, even though it was unpopular at the start (again, morality doesn't depend…

Once again, you're pretending I said things that I didn't actually say. I said that certain bad actions should not be tolerated . Where you get stifling from this, I don't know. In particular, your first post claimed that we shouldn't be intolerant of people implementing (not merely talking about) Biblical punishments on gays, which is what I claimed that our society rightfully would very harshly not tolerate, just a…

Yes you did say actions in that last post. I'm fairly certain your flagged post argued for "coming down hard" on people advocating for certain things rather than doing things. I'm fairly sure, given the tone, that I would still disagree with whatever you mean by "coming down hard"/"not tolerating", but this is getting speculative so I think this is a moot point.

> Biblical punishments on gays

Where does that come from? Was that what Eich wanted?

As far as I know, there was no advocacy for violence (something we do punish but in a due process, legal manner).

Are you arguing that you see no difference between 'death to the sinners' and whatever notion of 'sanctity of marriage' Eich might have espoused?

Re: The Yale Problem Begins in High School

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Post by dllthomas » Tue, Dec 08, 2015, 2:32 AM UTC

nickbauman wrote: post #519

dllthomas wrote: post #474

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"Please explain how you proceed logically from the position that eating from the tree of knowledge is sin?" This doesn't seem hard. Apologist hat on. It wasn't the knowledge that was bad, it's that the knowledge was attained by doing what God said not to. Certainly, we can condemn things done in pursuit of knowledge - Mengele being probably the easiest example. That hat fit kinda funny.

> It wasn't the knowledge that was bad, it's that the knowledge was attained by doing what God said not to. This is merely an interpretation (incidentally, of which all text requires). How do you know it is the correct one?

Personally? I've no idea if it's the correct one. Not subscribing to a school of thought that admits supernatural origin of these stories, I'm not really sure what "the correct one" would mean for me.

I interpreted fleitz (in the bit I quoted) as saying "if knowledge is bad, then we shouldn't be using logic to get us more knowledge, so the whole exercise is absurd." I was pointing out that there's at least one out.