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Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by nicktelford »

diakritikal wrote: post #330

UK Pricing seems to be £339/£379 (5X) - £449/£499/£579 (6P) That's the same numerical point, but gouged for living in the UK. The cheapest phone to purchase in the UK is about $515 dollars. Yeah, no thanks Google.

You're forgetting sales tax. US prices are quoted excluding sales tax (as it varies state-to-state), whereas UK prices include VAT (currently 20%):

Excluding VAT, the UK prices are a bit closer to what you'd expect.

As an example:

The 16GB Nexus 5x, excluding VAT: £282.50 US price, converted to GBP: £249.65

So while there's definitely an inflation to the price, it's not nearly as much as it seems.

Well, not until you realise that sales tax in most (all?) states is dramatically lower than the 20% we have in the UK. But we only have our government to blame for that.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by nickysielicki »

mjcohen wrote: post #460
nickysielicki wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Get a clip zip (~$30) and a 128gb sd card (~$50), put rockbox on it ($0), enjoy your entire collection in whatever codec you want, in a form factor that works better for exercising, with a week battery life to boot.

Clip zip only accepts up to 32GB.

Another reader already commented, but just to reiterate, this is not true. The stock firmware may only accept 32GB, but rockbox certainly can do 128GB cards.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by saiya-jin »

aianus wrote: post #185
nine_k wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd prefer my entire audio collection on the same device, not because I want to listen to several months of music without interruption, but to be able to choose that particular album or track that perfectly fits my mood now.

This is what Spotify is for.

How hard is for some people to understand that whatever suits you, doesn't necessarily suits every single living person on this planet??? get out of your tiny little bubble for once, please.

I don't see any value for me in spotify, for example. In circles around me, spotify & co penetration is well below 50%, albeit most know about it.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by tdkl »

EwanToo wrote: post #492
bostik wrote: post #480

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So, you're using full-disk encryption on your phone and the remote kill switch flushes the key? Otherwise the data is still there in the plain, accessible by anyone who can read the flash.

If you're using a Nexus 5X or 6P on Android 6, then probably yes. Android 5 has full disk encryption but was disabled by default on the Nexus 5 (and most other phones) due to performance issues.

Do the Nexus 5X or 6P finally have hardware encryption support ?

I didn't notice any mention of those, specially because they failed miserably last year parading full disk encryption on Nexus 6 and got bitten when reviews showed the performance degradation and lack of hardware encryption.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by janekm »

JimmaDaRustla wrote: post #182
oconnore wrote: post #119

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Why are you disappointed? It sounds like a device you bought a few years ago has a longer useful lifespan than you thought. You get to have a state of the art phone for less money when you own it longer. I wonder if devices will start to be built better, with more replaceable components as the rate of spec improvements in mobile devices slows down.

Mediocre phones today should be better than mediocre phones from two years ago.

They are, the $90 phones of today are amazing compared to two years ago (Doogee Y100X for example, surprisingly decent phone other than the camera).

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by tfinniga »

nicktelford wrote: post #521
diakritikal wrote: post #330

UK Pricing seems to be £339/£379 (5X) - £449/£499/£579 (6P) That's the same numerical point, but gouged for living in the UK. The cheapest phone to purchase in the UK is about $515 dollars. Yeah, no thanks Google.

You're forgetting sales tax. US prices are quoted excluding sales tax (as it varies state-to-state), whereas UK prices include VAT (currently 20%): Excluding VAT, the UK prices are a bit closer to what you'd expect. As an example: The 16GB Nexus 5x, excluding VAT: £282.50 US price, converted to GBP: £249.65 So while there's definitely an inflation to the price, it's not nearly as much as it seems. Well, not until you…

That's a good point. There's also another issue - profits made outside of the US can't be used in the US without paying a separate US repatriation tax, which can be as high as 35%.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by engi_nerd »

inversionOf wrote: post #516
DannyBee wrote: post #471

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"You have zero expertise to be saying this." This is 100% false. I do bringup on these platforms. I know a lot about them. "I'm going to favor the industry's interpretation of this a bit more than your anecdotal, occasional compiler-writer knowledge. " Dude, i literally do the toolchain bringup on these platforms you claim i have no knowledge of. This is not "anecdotal occasional compiler-writer knowledge". This is "…

This thread should embarrass you. Christ, I'm embarrassed for you . I linked multiple real world demonstrations (both the technical data, and actual observations of these cores in practice) of how big little is used for power consumption, including specific details of the core power profiles. You still allude to your great, clearly laughable, expertise and actually continue arguing this. Remarkable. You are a Hacker…

To an outsider that doesn't know much about phone architecture:

1) I can easily envision a scenario where he really is an expert but is not necessarily allowed to come out and say "I am a senior embedded systems engineer working for XYZ Mobile Devices" and has years of experience and is sitting there laughing at you. I should know because there are a couple of completely unrelated subjects that get widely discussed on the internet where I am an expert but can't just flat out state all my qualifications. I try to contribute sometimes in discussions about these subjects but often people say I have no idea what I'm talking about.

2) You seem to believe that he cannot possibly be an expert. He disagrees, and offers no absolute proof (and really, does he have to do that? Why can't we just be nice to each other).

3) I am embarrassed for you because you have seemed to be very mean and dismissive. Even if you're right, using phrases like "You are a Hacker News "Expert" and a bore" and "Save the world from your ignorance" just makes me feel that you're being rude.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

wisty wrote: post #514
chrsstrm wrote: post #336

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My worry is that this is a gateway drug to "Fingerprint protect all the things!" My bank emailed me the other day with an announcement that I could access my account through their app via my fingerprint. WTF? My text messages are one thing by now my money is protected by just my fingerprint? I took my bank to task because they allowed my username to be twice as long as the allowed characters in my password. Someone a…

Yeah, no-one will steal your fingerprint, just like no-one will crack a reasonably strong password. But if every site has a copy ...

It's quite possible that your fingerprint has already been stolen

http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/sep/23/us-governm...

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by inversionOf »

engi_nerd wrote: post #527
inversionOf wrote: post #516

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread should embarrass you. Christ, I'm embarrassed for you . I linked multiple real world demonstrations (both the technical data, and actual observations of these cores in practice) of how big little is used for power consumption, including specific details of the core power profiles. You still allude to your great, clearly laughable, expertise and actually continue arguing this. Remarkable. You are a Hacker…

To an outsider that doesn't know much about phone architecture: 1) I can easily envision a scenario where he really is an expert but is not necessarily allowed to come out and say "I am a senior embedded systems engineer working for XYZ Mobile Devices" and has years of experience and is sitting there laughing at you. I should know because there are a couple of completely unrelated subjects that get widely discussed o…

"You seem to believe that he cannot possibly be an expert."

Bringing up writing a compiler in relation to SoC design is, in itself, absurd. It undermines the expert claim to begin with. Waving one's hands at "industry mumbo jumbo" (even ARM reference architectures) and alluding to your own claims of knowledge is...incredibly ignorant. It is so far below what HN aspires to be it boggles.

It is what they said that discounts the mere possibility that they have even a basic layman knowledge of the topic, much less are an expert.

"I am embarrassed for you because you have seemed to be very mean and dismissive."

Did you read what DannyBee was saying at all? In response to empirically proven, well backed statements they disagreed, did the knowing wink and patronizing pat on the back, and pretended to have more knowledge based upon a growing volume of claims (first "write compilers", then "toolchain", then "toolchain bringup", none of which have anything to do with SoC-targeted schedulers). I didn't fire the first shot in being "mean and dismissive", and considering how profoundly ignorant this whole discussion is I was being as kind as possible.

It's actually interesting: You have no idea what my qualifications are, or my interest in this topic. Nor do I expect anyone, which is exactly why I cite actual data and information, not just my wink-wink/trust me/"don't believe those SoC fatcats" knowledge.

Re: Google Nexus 5x and 6P

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Post by on_and_off »

rsync wrote: post #225

I am finally in the market for a new mobile phone - my trusty MOTO FONE (F3)[1] finally died after three years. One of my absolute no-compromise feature needs is removable media ... an SD card slot that can accept the new 128 GB cards. This is because my current music collection is 68 GB in size and carrying the entire collection is one of my use-cases. But ... I also want a non-crapware, pure android phone, and the…

I can't predict the future but Nexus + expendable storage seems very unlikely.
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