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China sentences official to death for taking $325M in bribes

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Post by mmooss »

nixon_why69 wrote: post #507
mmooss wrote: post #504

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> when asked what citations would satisfy you replies "it's not my job to define what citations I will and won't admit". That exchange never happened - maybe you're thinking of someone else? > I'll wager your mind was made up You can see how empty the Sinophile side is: they will talk about anything, say anything, but provide actual substance as a basis for their claims.

Having a side is a habit of the uncurious.

I agree, and there's clearly a Sinophile side here: I wish people would engage in a substantive discussion instead of attacking others, this time as 'uncurious'. As I've pointed out, anything but engage on substance.

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Post by saxonww »

refurb wrote: post #496
saxonww wrote: post #451

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It's never meant only that, but that's not the argument. We decided that a long time ago. Genocide refers to a People (race, kind, tribe, family, etc.), not individual people. The group is a concept, and 'killing' it doesn't have to involve the biological death of the group members. That's part of what the linked resolution is trying to say. For example, you could go sterilize every member of an ethnic group, without…

So genocide ranges from “murder” to “discrimination, maybe”? The only thing this does is cheapen the word. In the past genocide was something serious. But now it includes activities that are simply upsetting.

It doesn't cheapen the word. If discrimination is intentional and has the effect of minimizing and eventually eliminating the target ethnic group, then you have the same result as if you lined up everyone in that group and shot them.

The word is attached to the intended outcome, not the specific actions taken to achieve it.

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Post by insane_dreamer »

ragazzina wrote: post #422
insane_dreamer wrote: post #321

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> Xi has shown repeatedly that he’s serious about corruption. that's BS cracking down on corruption has been a common tactic for decades to get rid of people who are a threat to the top dog at the CCP, and Xi has employed this perhaps better than anyone since Mao are those people being purged corrupt? probably most are. but plenty of people who are corrupt aren't purged, it's a highly selective process. Xi started th…

>plenty of people who are corrupt aren't purged This sounds really interesting, do you have any examples?

have you lived in China? just look around and you'll find plenty of examples. the country literally runs on "favors"

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Post by bryanlarsen »

vkou wrote: post #168
bryanlarsen wrote: post #157

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Counter-example: Sam-Bankman Fried. Biden's second biggest donor. Sentenced to 25 years in jail. Prosecuted even though it wasn't a clear cut case so there were excuses to hang a lack of prosecution on. No pardon.

The case was pretty clear-cut, and as for the pardon... He clearly didn't pay the right president, Trevor Milton got one right at the start of this presidency.

The case was clear-cut, choosing to prosecute wasn't. Especially in hind-sight given FTX's holdings of Anthropic shares.

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Post by hbd-investor »

fragmede wrote: post #275
hbd-investor wrote: post #233

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As opposed to the US where even if white collar criminals are caught and punished they get pardoned by Biden or Trump, Obama, etc... Every US president has pardoned white collar criminals

Biden didn't pardon SBF.

China executes their criminals, in the US criminals get pardoned

All of these white collar criminals were pardoned by Biden

Nina Simona Allen (December 2024): Convicted of conspiracy to defraud financial institutions.

Duran Arthur Brown (December 2024): Convicted of conspiracy to commit wire fraud in a mortgage fraud scheme.

Ravidath Ragbir (January 2025): Convicted of wire fraud and conspiracy to commit wire fraud.

Jerry Donald Manning (December 2024): Convicted of two counts of mail fraud.

Marcus Mosiah Garvey (January 2025 - Posthumous): Convicted of mail fraud in 1923.

Alex Nain Saab Moran (December 2023): Convicted of money laundering conspiracy (released as part of a U.S.–Venezuela prisoner swap).

Abraham W. Bolden Sr. (April 2022): Former Secret Service agent convicted of bribery attempts, fraud, and obstruction.

Kim Douglas Haman (December 2024): Convicted of making false claims against the government.

Vadim Konoshchenok (July 2024): Convicted of conspiracy to defraud the U.S., smuggling goods, and export control law violations (released as part of a multi-national prisoner swap).

Paul John Garcia (December 2024): Convicted of signing false documents with intent to deceive and theft/sale of government property while serving in the Navy.

Hunter Biden (December 2024): Convicted of federal tax offenses (alongside separate firearm charges). The pardon broadly covers any federal offenses committed or taken part in between January 1, 2014, and December 1, 2024.

Gerald Glenn Lundergan (January 2025): Convicted of unlawful campaign contributions, making false statements, and falsifying documents.

Ernest William Cromartie (January 2025): Convicted of attempting to evade or defeat tax, as well as structuring financial transactions to evade reporting requirements.

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Post by hbd-investor »

superxpro12 wrote: post #445
hbd-investor wrote: post #230

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trump and biden both pardoned tons of white collar criminals

Classic whataboutism and both sides are the same in a single sentence? wow thats a new record! Trump's pardons far exceed what Biden did in terms of scope and corruption. Trump's literally collecting bribes for pardons. There has been multiple confirmed, documented cases of someone donating to his reelection fund or buying trump coins, and then receiving a pardon in short order. This is blatant misrepresentation to t…

LOL you are attacking strawman

Both pardoned criminals, yes Trump pardoned more criminals

Know how many criminals China has pardoned? zero they get the death penalty

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Post by refurb »

saxonww wrote: post #512
refurb wrote: post #496

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So genocide ranges from “murder” to “discrimination, maybe”? The only thing this does is cheapen the word. In the past genocide was something serious. But now it includes activities that are simply upsetting.

It doesn't cheapen the word. If discrimination is intentional and has the effect of minimizing and eventually eliminating the target ethnic group, then you have the same result as if you lined up everyone in that group and shot them. The word is attached to the intended outcome, not the specific actions taken to achieve it.

Of course it cheapens it.

Using your example, if some ethnic group changed how they dressed it would be genocide.

That cheapens the word. Change in dress is not as severe an outcome as buried in a ditch with a bullet in your head.

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Post by vkou »

copper-float wrote: post #325
guywithahat wrote: post #179

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For anyone else curious as to what OP is talking about, I had to look this up: > The protest was a late-night/noise demonstration (involving fireworks) against immigration detention policies. It turned violent when a shooting injured a police officer. Prosecutors described it as an "act of terrorism" linked to an alleged antifa cell; defendants and supporters denied organized antifa ties and framed it as protected pr…

Bringing guns to shoot people you disagree with, then shooting them and injuring them for doing their job is not a harmless demonstration. It's terrorism, and they deserve what they got.

Only one person brought a gun (singular). The rest didn't shoot anyone, nor was there any evidence that they planned to do so. They were convicted for being at a protest where one asshole brought and shot a gun.

He could have had the book thrown at him. As for the rest, if you seriously think that getting 70 years for being at a protest where one person shot a gun is appropriate, you have a lot in common with a Stalin-era Soviet judge.

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Post by gamblor956 »

DaedalusII wrote: post #421
gamblor956 wrote: post #390

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not many people consider that 'possession' can simply be a USB stick found in a tree on your 2 acre lot, or a usb stick that has been planted in your car That's because that's not how the laws worked in the U.S., nor have the laws ever worked that way. If that was actually how the laws worked, a lot of enemies of each administration would get tarred with this, instead of literally none of them.

https://www.hornwright.com/civil-rights-law/when-police-plan... https://abcnews.com/US/florida-deputy-arrested-allegedly-pla... https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/07/20/538279258...

And they all won their cases. Drug possession isn't a strict liability crime.

Did you actually read your cites?

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