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Many people will be pleased to have a vehicle with no communication, sensor, or surveillance systems. It's hard to estimate how important that might be now that all other cars force them on everyone.

It’s going to be very interesting. Has Slate identified an under-served market? Will they see mainstream success? Or is this another iPhone Mini / Framework / sports wagon where a small, passionate minority ends up disappointed and angry that their priorities are not shared by the mainstream? I sincerely hope for the former. We need lower-cost vehicles, I like diverse product offerings, and this is a purist’s take on…

Strange to put Framework in this category... They seem reasonably successful and even the company I work at is switching to them.

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Many people will be pleased to have a vehicle with no communication, sensor, or surveillance systems. It's hard to estimate how important that might be now that all other cars force them on everyone.

You must be very naive to think that this app that you would need for this vehicle won’t do all that.

It doesn't require an app, hell if you even want a modem in it you need to pay extra.

Edit: it only needs an app for updates, which isn't notably different than taking you older pre-modem cars into the dealer for updates. Also I can't find any evidence that the base model even has a GPS built in.

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Many people will be pleased to have a vehicle with no communication, sensor, or surveillance systems. It's hard to estimate how important that might be now that all other cars force them on everyone.

It's most likely will have comms. And it will make 0 difference for most people. Having your most expensive asset NOT have basic tracking is insanity. That said I'm all in for all of this to be easily disabled even tho I struggle to find a valid reason (in actual dictatorships you are fucked multiple ways anyway and in democratic ones you are about to do crime).

Gotta get a GPS for my house lol

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> The Rivian is a high-end luxury vehicle High end luxury vehicles are coach built. The Ferrari Luce is a mid end luxury vehicle. Rivian is more like a low end luxury vehicle.

I'm sorry, but this is nonsense. The Rivian R1T starts at $80k for the dual motor trim and the quad starts at $116k, before options. This is so far outside of the average car that I am comfortable considering it high-end luxury. A Ferrari is unattainable luxury. A custom-built coach should come with an invitation to the guillotine. I forget sometimes that this forum is full of wealthy individuals who insist that they…

Has it at all occurred to you that "luxury" and "attainable" are mutually exclusive, like definitionally? Of course there's more to luxury than it simply being out of your reach, and there are many things which are absolutely not a luxury which are assuredly out of your reach to begin with. A house is not a luxury, for example. Especially not a mass-produced timber framed shitshack made out of particle board and sheetrock in the middle of nowhere. But the system certainly tells you it's a luxury, and you can't afford one anyways, so it must be a luxury, right?

I understand you're probably frustrated because you have been sold a manufactured idea that as an American, luxury is supposed to be attainable to you. That you were promised a high end lifestyle. That the American dream guarantees to lift you out of the filthy squalor of the ancestors. Finally, the common man is to be given nice things! He will live as a king! Or maybe you're just a westerner in general, and you really bought the lie that you are actively wealthy compared to the rest of the world.

That was all a lie.

And your assumption is absolutely faulty, by the way. I just actually know a nice thing when I see it. It's defined by it being a nice thing. An ugly, mass manufactured truck filled with materials that feel bad in the hand is really not that nice in the grand scheme of things. Sorry. You should absolutely be filled with outrage that even something as mundane as this is unattainable though. Projecting that frustration on to me for not letting shitty marketing jargon slide is ridiculous. This doesn't just affect us, either. You should remind the wealthy at all points that their standards are sliding backwards, and their hollow sense of luxury has become a category of complete crap driven by lowered standards and artificial scarcity.

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You must be very naive to think that this app that you would need for this vehicle won’t do all that.

It doesn't require an app, hell if you even want a modem in it you need to pay extra. Edit: it only needs an app for updates, which isn't notably different than taking you older pre-modem cars into the dealer for updates. Also I can't find any evidence that the base model even has a GPS built in.

Interesting. Well hope this is what lands. Tracking all metrics and location is a bit out of control

Re: Slate EV truck starts at $24,950

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It’s going to be very interesting. Has Slate identified an under-served market? Will they see mainstream success? Or is this another iPhone Mini / Framework / sports wagon where a small, passionate minority ends up disappointed and angry that their priorities are not shared by the mainstream? I sincerely hope for the former. We need lower-cost vehicles, I like diverse product offerings, and this is a purist’s take on…

Strange to put Framework in this category... They seem reasonably successful and even the company I work at is switching to them.

The iPhone mini was reasonably successful; it shipped more units than Framework has in the life of the company (about 15m iPhone minis based on reports of if being ~4% of iPhone 12 and 13 sales, vs hard to find estimates of Framework but none over 1m).

Framework is making a go of being a niche provider, which is great. But they are currently estimated to have less than 0.1% of the laptop market.

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California (and many other states) also charges you an additional annual EV registration fee of $121 in lieu of gas taxes. There was some noise earlier this year about a federal EV tax too.

I wish they'd just tax the tires. Bigger vehicles, more tires, more wear.

That might have the unintended consequence of people running tires bald and getting in more accidents?

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$.21/kw seems high for home charging... im at $.12, before the extra savings that gets me closer to $.10

$0.21 was from memory, so I pulled up my bill and it was actually low: Southern California Edison on the time-of-use plan, charging during "Super off peak." Note that nowhere on the bill do they show one number for how much you pay per kWh. These numbers will change next month as we go from "Winter" to "Summer" Delivery charges: $0.17664 CCA Cost responsibility surcharge: $0.02007 Nonbypassable charges: $0.00644 + $0…

Just got my first summer bill, it's about $0.02 more per kWh, so $0.29

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It's most likely will have comms. And it will make 0 difference for most people. Having your most expensive asset NOT have basic tracking is insanity. That said I'm all in for all of this to be easily disabled even tho I struggle to find a valid reason (in actual dictatorships you are fucked multiple ways anyway and in democratic ones you are about to do crime).

Gotta get a GPS for my house lol

Smoke alarm is already a legal requirement. HomePod already sends notifications to your phone when it triggers. Mine of course had false alarms while I was abroad, so I verified using air quality monitor I got for co2 that also does particles.

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I wish they'd just tax the tires. Bigger vehicles, more tires, more wear.

That might have the unintended consequence of people running tires bald and getting in more accidents?

Then we'll tax the accidents.
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