i mean the apple hardware might be better but the closed down software is a reason for me to never chose apple.
It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
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Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#512Why do people keep comparing Apples to Bananas (pun intended)?
To be clear: These two are based on completely different system architectures. Ofcourse performance is different, and probably in favor of Apple. Especially because everything running on top of Apple Silicon is heavily optimized from the get-go to do so (due to hardcore system level optimization by the build chain and kernel engineering groups at Apple).
If you want a excellent quasi open and self repairable/modifiable laptop running Linux there's probably nothing better on the market than a Framework laptop. But I might be a little bit biased because my main system is a Framework 16 running Gentoo with OpenRC.
I can do everything I want with it including local AI, since the 6.x kernel series - including AMD NPU support - was released to stable, and AMD creating a excellent runtime to serve local AI models through AMD NPUs and GPUs called Lemonade (https://lemonade-server.ai/) a little while back.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#513> I think Framework's in a hard place with the Framework 12. Because it's an odd dimension, and because they wanted a full 360° hinge for tablet mode, they had to compromise on the display.
Seems a bit weird that framework went with a 360 hinge w/ sub-par display & sub-par stylus. I wonder if there's any demand for that and what's the use case?
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#514I was seduced by Apple Silicon after experiencing the exceptional battery life and performance. Those things are great, as are the screens and the speakers. But I'm still excited about the Framework 12 because I don't love macOS. I don't need an alternative to beat Apple on every line of the spec sheet. I just need them to align with my values, support Linux well, and cross a certain "good enough" threshold. The late…
I'm constantly surprised by just how bad macOS is as a Linux user. I currently have to deal with it sometimes as I run my local LLM server on it and it's painful. That said the hardware is great, I run Asahi on another M1 MBP and Linux makes it the best laptop I've ever used.
> That said the hardware is great, I run Asahi on another M1 MBP and Linux makes it the best laptop I've ever used.
I'm considering going this way on my M1 MBP. Is there anything you miss wrt. hardware compatibility?
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#515Earlier quoted context omitted.
I just have a desktop at home that I run inference off of. It is a great setup and I don't find myself wanting to inference models directly on my laptop.
That’s what I would do too, but I haven’t found a desktop build that can rival a Mac Mini or Mac Studio on performance per watt. I haven’t looked super hard, but it seems like Mac is in a different ballpark.
I mean, once it's a desktop, watts are pretty cheap, so it's a bit strange to optimize on that factor for the desktop form factor. For laptops it makes a ton of sense.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#516Why do people keep comparing Apples to Bananas (pun intended)? To be clear: These two are based on completely different system architectures. Ofcourse performance is different, and probably in favor of Apple. Especially because everything running on top of Apple Silicon is heavily optimized from the get-go to do so (due to hardcore system level optimization by the build chain and kernel engineering groups at Apple).…
Why is it unfair to compare two different CPU architectures?
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#517Clickbait and he knows it
We all have different needs, to me any Macintosh is just as hard to justify.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#518It depends what OS you need/want.
Some people don't want macos.
I can install Windows or Linux on Framework.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#519Earlier quoted context omitted.
battery life is not only factor of the laptop. having moved from Linux (ran gentoo quite minimal...) to freeBSD default install makes my laptop last about twice or thrice as long. the art of idle software and efficient energy consumption is not landed in windows and Linux takes too much work.. mac does it not too bad + having good batteries, but thats not to say a laptop with a lesser battery should be trashed by a b…
> having moved from Linux ... to freeBSD default install makes my laptop last about twice or thrice as long. I’ve literally never heard this from anyone before, and I have to admit, I’m curious enough to try it for myself. The last time I tried FreeBSD was 2001.
i am not sure why btw but i read some articles on here about software not being idle on background properly a lot of times (fancy terminals etc.). for me tho 'it just happens' because im unsure how to measure it precisely..
maybe my linux had a big or wrong setup u know, but it was running very lean. Freebsd runs about as lean tho.
cannot be bothered ofc to go back and measure it is some hp-elitebook withh a ryzen and iGPU in there.
If i run things like Claude it sucks my battery. But if i just run my editors code all day myself its all gd..use firefox as browser on both. other then that its x,i3,hx,rg,fd,fzf. thats about all i use..(so u see i hate it when any laptop empties soon.... i hardly use anything of it). usually i dont even open x/i3.
Re: It's hard to justify buying a Framework 12
#520Saw this and does seem the screen tipped the balance here, which is understandable. Maybe if framework had a better screen without the touch overheads as an option(which I'm sure they could do being modular and upgradable)