While $3.6 billion is a big order, Boeing stock price is up 2% so the market (which has global participation) doesn't seem to view this as very negative in the short term?
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#512Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Trump may not force the issue if he knows he's going to lose. That didn't play out at the end of his last term. I don't think Trump is a "I've had a good run, lets call it a day." kinda guy...
While he always talks tough regardless, I think his actions depend on the nature of the loss, e.g. him being all over the place on Iran, disregarding his own ceasefire for strikes and yet also heading towards a deal that's significantly worse than if he'd done nothing; or similarly all the everything in response to his threats against Greenland.
I interpret the same events you describe as Trump being unable to let go when he should have. Which is why he's made things worse than if he'd done nothing.
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People outside the US understand that Trump is a temporary phenomenon. And there's no evidence that Trump has any interest in post-Trump politics, except insofar as it insulates him from repercussions.
I don't see how anyone can think Trump is a temporary phenomenon, it's been a decade since he got into politics and things have only gotten nastier. On the scale of a person's life, this is definitely not a temporary thing.
I see no evidence that Trumpism will survive Trump. To the extend that Trumpism exceeds the bounds of normal partisan politics, it's driven by a cult of personality. Once the personality is gone, the unique aspects of the movement dissipate.
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#514Earlier quoted context omitted.
People outside the US understand that Trump is a temporary phenomenon. And there's no evidence that Trump has any interest in post-Trump politics, except insofar as it insulates him from repercussions.
Trump being a temporary phenomenon would be a more plausible claim if his presidency had been a single term.
Trump could be elected for a third term and it could still be a temporary phenomenon, because the movement fails to transfer beyond one individual's personality.
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Note, the US did seek UN security council action when Ukraine was invaded, back when Biden was president. Russia vetoed of course.
Are you a sophist? This thread is about how the US has lost all their political leverage, built for almost a century, since Trump got in power (no longer a trustable ally, losing contracts, etc). You keep mixing up pre- and post-Trump events as if nothing happened, technicalities, "but you said X", and nobody that was trying to debate in good faith does that, only one interested in "winning" the argument but with zer…
If something seems factually incorrect to me, I say so. If I notice a contradiction in someone's worldview, I point it out.
As I stated elsewhere in this thread, I'm an isolationist, and I don't care if the US loses leverage or whatever. If all US troops are booted from Europe so we can no longer "intervene" in the Middle East, that sounds fantastic. I favor a Swiss-style foreign policy for the USA.
From my perspective, it would actually be very good if Europe cut off the supply of AI chips to prevent AI companies from building an omnicidal doomsday machine:
Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers
#516Earlier quoted context omitted.
While he always talks tough regardless, I think his actions depend on the nature of the loss, e.g. him being all over the place on Iran, disregarding his own ceasefire for strikes and yet also heading towards a deal that's significantly worse than if he'd done nothing; or similarly all the everything in response to his threats against Greenland.
I interpret the same events you describe as Trump being unable to let go when he should have. Which is why he's made things worse than if he'd done nothing.
No disagreement there; the point is not to excuse his foolishness, but that despite his words always being pugilistic, he can be made to back off.
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#517Over the last few months we've seen announcements of shifts from US-based supply chains to non-US-supply chains. As an American, I think this is prudent, based on what has happened in the last year and change. The US is no longer a reliable partner and this is what you do when that happens. 100 years from now, the last 15 months will be written about in no uncertain terms: this administration has loaded many footguns…
I wish I shared your optimism that this will end with a vote.
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> that ruling completely disregards the right of donbas to self-determination Because there are no grounds for it. The right to self-determination is the right of an ethnicity to self-govern. The people of Donbas are not a distinct ethnicity, but almost entirely either Ukrainians or Russians. That's a very clear-cut case. > if donbas didn't really want to secede (or didn't know how) There was no secession movement. O…
> The right to self-determination is the right of an ethnicity to self-govern there isn't really a clear definition of what constitutes "a people". etnicity might be a common trait but it doesn't have to. basically if all or a considerable majority in a territory want's to self-govern, the un charter recognizes that right. in practice this right has never been honored unless these people found a way to enforce it. >…
> there isn't really a clear definition of what constitutes "a people".
> after the coup in 2014
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We've long pushed for 2 engines - which has made sense in the past. Even a successful ejection over the vast arctic would basically be a death sentence. Though some of our allies don't seem to have the same reservations, and it seems modern engines are a lot more reliable - certainly the F-35 only has one, so it looks like we're ok with it now. The modern F-18's and the new F-15's would have also made sense, but agre…
If the F-15 line is still in production, it's a damn fine bird and has broad mission capability. And the remaining B-52's are probably older that most of the HN community. At least those not retired or cashed out.
The F-15 EX looks to be pretty popular right now, export-oriented and will probably be around for a while.
To be honest, which aircraft we choose isn't going to be the make or break part. All the other terrible decisions that politicians make will be. Like waffling on a decision for another 10-15 years, paying cancellation fees, etc.
Re: Canada to order military plane fleet from Sweden in shift from US suppliers
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> The right to self-determination is the right of an ethnicity to self-govern there isn't really a clear definition of what constitutes "a people". etnicity might be a common trait but it doesn't have to. basically if all or a considerable majority in a territory want's to self-govern, the un charter recognizes that right. in practice this right has never been honored unless these people found a way to enforce it. >…
> there isn't really a clear definition of what constitutes "a people". It's true that the wording is open to interpretation, but not in the case of Ukraine. Nobody considers the Ukrainians and Russians living in the Donbas as a separate ethnicity or people; not they themselves, nor anyone else. > after the coup in 2014 There was no coup. "Ukrainian MPs have voted to oust President Viktor Yanukovych and hold early pr…
> the wording is open to interpretation, but not in the case of Ukraine. Nobody considers the Ukrainians and Russians living in the Donbas as a separate ethnicity or people; not they themselves, nor anyone else.
that is an unsubstantiated claim that's actually false and doesn't even preclude the right of any group of people in sufficient majority to exercise self-govern, by their mere will and manifestation, so i'm not going to even bother debunking it (again).
> There was no coup. "Ukrainian MPs have voted to oust President Viktor Yanukovych and hold early presidential elections on 25 May." (BBC, 22 February 2014).
that vote didn't reach the required 3/4 of the threshold required by the constitution for impeachment. the subterfuge employed to ignore that requirement was that yanukovich had allegedly relinquished his position, which actually means he had to flee the country for his life because of the threat of the nazi nationalists (armed by the us and on the loose around kiev), as did many of the 122 deputies that weren't even present in the voting. so you arm extremist groups for years, groom ngos to stirr up discontent funded by usaid and ned, then weaponize legitimate protests with violence, which then spirals out of control as the legitimate government overreacts in the crackdown, then you make huge international media fuzz about it, then you threaten the president to flee, then you hold a sham vote to impeach him, then you instate a "provisional" government you already decided. democracy installed! if all this sounds familiar it's because it is the good old cia coup playbook.
bonus sound bite: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUCCR4jAS3Y
she had to actually publicly apologize (thus admitting the conversation) because eu vassals were indignant about her disrespect ("fuck the eu!"). fun fact: those insults are intolerable! but that the us secretary of state and the us ambassador were deciding, all by themselves, the composition of new goverrnment to replace the legitimate government of a foreign country ... that apparently bothered no one.