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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by glaslong »

fbnlsr wrote: post #247

This has been my experience as well. - Claude writes User Stories, supervised by the PO. - Claude is in charge of the implementation, supervised by the devs. - Claude does the PR review. - If a comment is made by a human, someone c/p what Claude thinks with a simple "not sure if AI is right". We're just passing butter at this point.

My experience as well. It's happened a few times now that I'll ask a coworker a question about some system they built, and they tell me to just ask the AI.

I did ask the AI. I gave it several rounds. I got a summary of their diff from it. I skimmed their diff myself. I have a rough mental model of the work they did, plus what the AI did/didn't tell me. I'm asking THEM so THEY can confirm my mental model is correct to the code they supposedly authored.

I suspect the real problem is they vibed the whole thing and didn't even self-review it. So they don't know, can't answer, and the interaction is truly pointless. They are not the expert any longer. It's not worth asking them.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by impjohn »

sofixa wrote: post #492
bauldursdev wrote: post #381

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agree wholeheartedly. I have actually started introducing small idiosyncrasies into my text to make it clear that my words come from me and not a bot.

Same, I've started adding stylistic (-/; with an odd/imperfect placement- like this) errors to make it clear it's artisanal home made slop, not AI-generated.

>artisanal home made slop

Even in the depths of corporate life, the last beacon of light was interacting with a person who may be similarly philosophically placed as you, sharing something. Artisanal home made slop may be more underrated that people think, its a proxy for human connection, which surprise surprise, is a big basis of life

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by ilikecakeandpie »

sschueller wrote: post #127
torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

True but how many times have people sent someone "let me google that for you". Some people are inherently lazy and unload their laziness to someone else to do the thinking for them. I still think sending someone an AI answer is terrible but then again, if you are going to ask me for help, at least make some effort first. EDIT: By laziness I mean that there are known places (they know of) with documentation that cover…

IMO, its a little jab/playful when a friend sends a LMGTFY link and its really disrespectful if a colleuage sends it

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by ertgbnm »

sschueller wrote: post #127
torben-friis wrote: post #60

>But even when I talk to people, they forward my questions to AI and send me the AI’s answer. This is the killer issue. It's so profoundly saddenning, it feels like watching an adult being asked a question and calling mom to answer for them. There is something deeply disturbing in it that makes me feel I'm not talking to a self sufficient entity.

True but how many times have people sent someone "let me google that for you". Some people are inherently lazy and unload their laziness to someone else to do the thinking for them. I still think sending someone an AI answer is terrible but then again, if you are going to ask me for help, at least make some effort first. EDIT: By laziness I mean that there are known places (they know of) with documentation that cover…

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Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by wisty »

intrikate wrote: post #463
wisty wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one here wants to say it, so I will. A lot of people are relatively stupid. If you're not that smart, then it's not worth learning how to do something. Learning is harder and even if you learn about a topic, you can't make use of this knowledge that effectively. Even more meta, learning how to learn is worth less, since you learn slower. If that is the case, is it really a bad idea to offload the work onto someone…

I don't understand the point you're trying to make here. If you don't understand, you aren't smart enough to and shouldn't try? If you learn slow, just stop because you're... slower? What are you talking about?

Kind of.

Everyone needs to draw a line. Call it an "explore vs exploit" problem, if you want.

Sure, you want to fail a bit so you know where the line is, or to push it forwards a bit. But there is, at least in principal, always a line.

I'm just saying that if someone draws the line in a place that you think is waaaay too soon, maybe they aren't entirely wrong.

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by simpaticoder »

p2detar wrote: post #17

> I worked as a developer at a company. I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. He didn’t even read the AI’s answer. That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior. It's still a bit better at my workplace bu…

>That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior.

No, that's just disrespectful and entitled behavior from someone in power toward someone without power. I'm sure the person (business owner) felt pleased with themselves for saving so much time and mental effort in the interaction, with additional points for "authenticity" and "honesty" because they didn't hide the fact that they used an LLM. It damaged the relationship slightly but only time will tell if that was meaningful (and the harsh truth is that it probably isn't given the short lifespans of companies).

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by ai_fry_ur_brain »

cjs_ac wrote: post #326
p2detar wrote: post #17

> I worked as a developer at a company. I asked the business owner a question about a business task. He sent me a ChatGPT screenshot with the answer. I replied that it had nothing to do with my question and everything there was wrong. A minute later he sent me another ChatGPT screenshot. He didn’t even read the AI’s answer. That's just rude and borderline psychotic behavior. It's still a bit better at my workplace bu…

Just before LLMs became available to the general public, I worked for a small (fewer than ten employees) strategy consultancy. They had some industry-specific analysis tools that were in Excel, and my job was to turn them into a software product that customers could operate themselves. The owner had a mechanical engineering degree, but every time I asked him a technical question about the tools, he'd just give me a s…

Its so much worse now.

I deal with this all the time these days. If I ask for some clarification on scope, I usually get these ambiguous answers with fantastical ideas usually concerning some dreamed up impossible to implement tool that people assume is now possible because of AI, because everything is possible to them now!

Re: I'm Tired of Talking to AI

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Post by nate »

I just had a maddening convo with Amazon's AI https://share.zight.com/o0udw54W (i had mentioned before that in 5 minutes it would be time to get my refund according to some other policy message they sent me). A convo before this Amazon's bot didn't even recognize the reply the forced me to give from their button. I clicked "Entire package is missing". and they replied "Couldn't understand your response". It's a brutal, antagonistic experience. The kicker is how Amazon keeps saying "we're passionate about customer experience". You were Amazon. You were. But you've given that up.

The silver lining is that the pendulum will swing. It's like all thee independent bookstores thriving again. Eventually enough of us will revolt hard with our dollars. And move back towards businesses that aren't employing all these bots they stick in front of us. We'll get there.

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