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Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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The fact that taxpayers and not the police themselves have to pay the settlement is the worst part of this. Every settlement against the police should be taken from their pension fund. This is something I've been advocating for decades now, because it creates an incentive not to do things like this. Right now, good cops don't patrol bad cops because it won't affect them. By aligning the incentives right, it will mean…

>By aligning the incentives right, it will mean good cops will force out the bad cops quickly.

Not system will ever work as intended if entire societies are either corrupt and/or stupid. Cops are no different.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#512
post #72

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> each side trying to imprison the other, you're implying that the two sides are morally and legally equivalent, and both are just engaging in retaliatory squabbling. that is a ridiculous implication one "side" routinely flaunts the law, steals from the public, abuses and ignores the courts, and has a complete disregard for civil rights, legal procedure, and credibility. it uses the DoJ as a personal henchman, string…

The thing is, each side will think you're talking about the other side. I view it differently. To me there's the pro incarceration side and the anti incarceration side. Both parties institutionally are pro prosecution and have failed to reign in abuses. Both sides have abused the courts. Instead of arguing over which side has abused them worse (I may not even disagree with you on that!) I prefer to focus on reducing…

> each side will think you're talking about the other side.

no. one side will say it, and think it. the other side will say it, but know they're lying.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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The claim was not that it can be part of the job. The claim was “A police officer's job is to lie to you.”

Police are trained to lie to you in the course of investigation so “they could choose not to do their job (by conducting an investigation)” doesn’t refute the notion that it’s their job to lie to you, it affirms it. It’s like saying “it’s not cops’ job to lie to you, some of them are dogs whose entire job is sniffing out cocaine with their extraordinary sense of smell”

It's like saying it's a pilot's job to wear a uniform. The uniform may be required by their employer, but it's not the job. A law banning pilots from wearing uniforms would not result in jail time for doing their job.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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post #390

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And insurers doing their due diligence and charging based on potential for liability would go a long way to mitigating abuses. Best solution would be to simply require licensing and conduct standards to be a police professional similar to that required for Registered Nurses.

Is privatising ethics enforcement like this a good idea?

It's not "privatising ethics enforcement" at all - it's just letting the free market put dollar amounts on the actual cost of staffing reckless officers. The actuaries won't be reading textbooks on ethics, they're going to look at the same thing they do for drivers: history of violations, incidents, etc.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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Then it shouldn't be a crime to lie to the officer. I genuinely don't think certain charges relating to preserving one's freedom should even be a crime in of it self. Unless you endanger others in an extreme manner, things like "resisting arrest", running from police, or attempting to escape prison shouldn't be charges within themselves. People love the phrase "you can beat the rap, not the ride", but that essentiall…

I believe in certain Scandinavian or northern European countries, there is no crime or additional punishmented meted out for attempting to or escaping from prison, as "the desire to be free is inherently human". You will be looked for, and retrieved and returned, to be sure, but you won't then be charged with escaping from custody.

I learned about that years ago and really internalized it.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#516
post #71

I’ll cut against the grain here and say it’s ABSOLUTELY appropriate for taxpayers to pay the bill here. It’s pretty toxic that people don’t want to take responsibility for their own government in a democracy. In this case, it’s especially bad, given the sheriff is elected by the people directly. But I’d go even further and say even where control is less direct, we need incentives for voters to take this stuff serious…

Part of the problem is the decisions of the US Supreme Court have codified a lot of unwritten rules to favor law enforcement/status quo - we would need a radical change in our form of government to undo this (the lifetime appointment of Supreme Court justices is one obstacle, along with the political nature of the job, the difficulty in removing a justice, that all bring to mind some sclerotic bureaucratic mess from a dystopia.) This overrides the influence any voter can have with local issues - their local and state governments cannot override these rulings with impunity.

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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post #491

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Do you feel the same about homophobia, height discrimination, fat discrimination and other discriminatory behaviours? Or do you feel these are different enough that they should be treated differently? I think I disagree with you on this, but I think what you've said is a perfectly valid opinion and appreciate your response. I'm sorry that it appears someone has downvoted you for disagreeing. This seems to be a new tr…

homophobia, of course, considering I myself am bisexual and have had relations with other women. Height and weight discrimination depends on what is considered height and weight discrimination. Saying you need to be x height or y weight to do something? That's safety. People saying they'd only date someone above x height or below y weight? I bit shallow but that's personal preference. Saying everyone above 200 pounds…

> People saying they'd only date someone above x height or below y weight?

What about height and weight affecting career prospects?

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#518

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so the "meme" was a photo and a quote

A very bad taste quote in context. Not that it shouldn't be free speech but let's not pretend this guy did nothing wrong.

Trump did something very wrong. Bushart is sarcastically "quoting" him to point that out - or do I have it the wrong way around?

Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

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post #254

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No, that didn't happen. You're confusing two different events together. The guy who posted the photo of brown skinned people with the "imagine the smell" comment was American and lost his job. The UK wasn't involved in any way. [0] The comedian you might be thinking of is Graham Linehan - he was arrested for inciting violence against trans people and has a long string of twitter posts quoted as possible reasons. (and…

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Re: Tennessee man jailed 37 days for Trump meme wins settlement after lawsuit

#520
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What if a majority of taxpayers voted for that sheriff?

Another huge problem with our times is that local media is completely hollowed out. Voter awareness was never amazing but now there is no local paper to highlight abuse or corruption. Every problem becomes a national problem with no accountabillity. Lots of people in the state I live in vote for their sheriff. I would be shocked if one in one hundred even knew who that was.

> but now there is no local paper to highlight abuse or corruption.

There's indie journalists on Youtube and X exposing fraud and corruption. Follow them there.

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