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Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by vrighter »

zombot wrote: post #245
embedding-shape wrote: post #122

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Good luck with that. I have a Windows computer I sometimes have to run stuff on overnight, like renders or what not. I've disabled everything I can related to Windows Update, plus setting "Active hours" or what not, so the computer doesn't reboot because of updates in the middle of the night. Today I woke up, went to check the progress and wouldn't you know, Windows Update updated the computer and rebooted, and what…

Have you tried using a program that regularly simulates keypresses or mouse movements so the computer thinks the user is still active? The `SCROLL` key for instance can be pressed without causing unwanted side effects, but it stops my Windoze VM from going to sleep.

haha this reminds me of what I did for my speakers. They turn themselves off after about 1 and a half hours of silence. So I added a cuckoo clock chime on the hour. Problem solved.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by projektfu »

embedding-shape wrote: post #122
theandrewbailey wrote: post #112

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> Regaining trust is extremely hard after you've crossed an edge. Microsoft needs to learn consent. Everywhere there's a Yes and "Remind me later", there has to be a No. And the No has to work and be remembered forever, not forgotten after the next update. Using Windows has to stop feeling like you're being roofied all the time.

Good luck with that. I have a Windows computer I sometimes have to run stuff on overnight, like renders or what not. I've disabled everything I can related to Windows Update, plus setting "Active hours" or what not, so the computer doesn't reboot because of updates in the middle of the night. Today I woke up, went to check the progress and wouldn't you know, Windows Update updated the computer and rebooted, and what…

Turn off almost all outbound connections in Windows firewall, except the ones your apps actually use. Then it never gets updates unless you install them yourself.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by snowpid »

tapoxi wrote: post #425
red_admiral wrote: post #423

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Intention or not, Gnome 3's "desktops are outdated" caused even Linus to switch away from it.

He actually still uses GNOME, at least as recently as 5 months ago. I'm a KDE user but I get why people like it.

and I am a GNOME user and I find it totally fine to use KDE. Thats the cool thing about open plattforms. Just some people having too much time to make a UI interface part of their personality rant too much on the internet about other UI interfaces.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by nope1000 »

AlienRobot wrote: post #509
unleaded wrote: post #386

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When people cricitize Linux there's always people responding "it's simple really, just run this super long command and do this and that".. looks like the same thing to me.

That's actually why I started using Linux. I hated that Linux has all these commands you had to go through, then I installed Windows 11 and tutorials were telling me run all these commands to fix it. I figure I'd just use Linux at that point.

> I hated that Linux has all these commands you had to go through

Was this still your experience though? I am using Fedora on GNOME and I rarely have to use the terminal. I like to use it but if you don't want to, you don't have to. There is a graphical installer, settings panel, software center, file manager, disk utility software, etc.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by senfiaj »

aboardRat4 wrote: post #504
senfiaj wrote: post #456

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In ideal world, but it's too late. The codebase is old. It's very difficult to backport/reimplement/integrate features (tons of APIs, kernel features, etc) that new software relies on. Also, because of compatibility you can't remove all the mess.

It's not that old. In fact, there is little new stuff added to Windows after version 7 that is really worth keeping. Even Windows XP supports most recent Chromiums, albeit with a lot of hacky patches. I would even say that from the usability perspective, Windows 2000 beats them all, but quite some useful APIs were added in XP and 7, including better Unicode support, driver signing, UAC. But 10 and 11 were just a wast…

Maybe UWP and similar stuff isn't that popular, but about WSL?

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by irishcoffee »

cwel wrote: post #422
irishcoffee wrote: post #411

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No, I guess I didn’t explain it, though I thought I had. Don’t ask me to turn on location settings, don’t ask me to connect my email/online accounts, during a gui install. I can turn those on myself if I want to. Someone else up-thread pointed out that this probably exists to help windows uses transition over to a Linux install in a way that feels more familiar, and that makes sense. I don’t like it, but I can accept…

You also attributed this to "Linux", instead of whatever guided installer/desktop environment you chose. I have never encountered the screens you are lamenting.

That's fair, its mostly "mainstream" distros. Here is an example:

https://d3t0tbmlie281e.cloudfront.net/igi/framework/q6Yb16Bq...

Linux was too broad a term.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by irishcoffee »

dmd wrote: post #414
irishcoffee wrote: post #411

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No, I guess I didn’t explain it, though I thought I had. Don’t ask me to turn on location settings, don’t ask me to connect my email/online accounts, during a gui install. I can turn those on myself if I want to. Someone else up-thread pointed out that this probably exists to help windows uses transition over to a Linux install in a way that feels more familiar, and that makes sense. I don’t like it, but I can accept…

Oh. I thought you were talking about making a user account. I've never seen anything like that on any linux install I've ever done. But then I've been pretty much Debian-only since I started using Linux over 30 years ago.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LW7Z892bsG4

At about 1:15.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by naikrovek »

heresie-dabord wrote: post #228
sagacity wrote: post #81

I recently got locked out of my machine because logging in with the mandatory Microsoft account-backed primary user of my machine didn't work anymore. It said I was offline and I had to use the "previous password" even though I didn't have a previous password for that account. Hacking around in the recovery console to add another administrator user worked, but then I couldn't reset the original user's password becaus…

> I can use Linux but I have decades of Windows muscle memory and I do a bunch of DirectX programming. I see a likely inversion of motives here: you earn your living coding or otherwise are deeply vested in Windows, so you are committed for survival to Windows and to fixing the absurd account problem that MSFT has inflicted on you. The expression "muscle memory" here just means the cognitive load of working with a te…

> When people advise you to switch to Linux if you can, they are giving solid advice.

They absolutely are not. Switching operating systems isn't like switching toothpaste. They are declaring, without evidence, that you don't need Windows, without knowing if you do or not. They are avoiding the problem that the person is having entirely and asking that the user replace their single problem with a whole new class of problems that the user has no idea how to solve. And there will be problems, because someone who has never used Linux before isn't going to know how to do anything in Linux. They aren't going to know what software to use to do anything, they aren't going to know how to install software or update it, they aren't going to know what to do when any problem comes up at all.

"Just switch to Linux" is a malevolent and self-serving recommendation, is absolutely not realistic, and is not ever intended to actually help the user needing help with a problem they are having.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by vrighter »

notepad0x90 wrote: post #397

It looks like it's the year of the MacOS desktop. I think since apple is looking at the lower-end consumer market, it must also be looking at the corporate desktop market. Supporting enterprise software/fleet is a whole different ballgame. But it does play well into apple's strength, in that apple is great at letting others experiment and learn lessons from their failures. If the new leadership at apples even glances…

moving away from microsoft in the eu is intended to cut digital reliance on the US. The EU governments will not switch to macs ever. If they did that, they might as well stick with windows, because apple is also american and beholden to american laws.

Re: Windows quality update: Progress we've made since March

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Post by aboardRat4 »

senfiaj wrote: post #515
aboardRat4 wrote: post #504

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not that old. In fact, there is little new stuff added to Windows after version 7 that is really worth keeping. Even Windows XP supports most recent Chromiums, albeit with a lot of hacky patches. I would even say that from the usability perspective, Windows 2000 beats them all, but quite some useful APIs were added in XP and 7, including better Unicode support, driver signing, UAC. But 10 and 11 were just a wast…

Maybe UWP and similar stuff isn't that popular, but about WSL?

WSL1 is just an upgraded Interix, which had been with Windows since at least 2000, maybe even NT4. All the APIs are there, porting WSL1 on 7 should be not a problem at all.

WSL2 is just a virtual machine. Hyper-V was first shipped in Windows 8, which is not too far from Windows. But things are even more bright. Qemu already had the "kqemu", which what eventually became KVM when merged into the Linux kernel, and it worked _even on windows NT 4_, and if course it worked on 2000 and XP.

So porting Hyper-V/WSL2 as a driver onto Windows 7 should be even less of a problem than WSL1.

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