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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by mkl »

makeitdouble wrote: post #458
meantub wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws. Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not provide Customer Data to any person or entity other than Customer’s designees (including pursuant to Sect…

None of that would require the "create derivative works" part. I honestly can't see any legitimate reason why they'd have the right to derivate work from yours, and you don't insert that kind of terms by mistake.

AI tab completion and agentic edits are often derivative works.

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Post by still_grokking »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

Wasn't that legalize the reason Gram got created?

https://gram.liten.app/

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Post by eviks »

simonask wrote: post #426
haspok wrote: post #363

My biggest gripe with Zed right now (it seems they had changed the default force-formatting of source code) is that it is non-extensible. I just wanted a custom action when I right click on a file (or multiple files) in the file tree - uh-oh, sorry, you can't have that. Basically all text editors should be extensible. Emacs and vim, Notepad++ or Sublime - this is one of their core features. Do I need to explain this…

Not gonna lie, I kinda hate this attitude. There’s tons of extensions for Zed, but you’re asking for particular extension hooks that don’t exist yet. I expect the reason they don’t is that Zed sandboxes extensions quite aggressively (they’re essentially WASM running under wasmtime), which is fantastic for both security and performance, and it means they don’t break when the app updates, but it also means that a bit m…

> There’s tons of extensions for Zed

There can't be without those "particular" hooks. Editors with them have tons, Zed is limited to kilos

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Post by xpe »

jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

The comment above has started a sh-tstorm. Please, slow down and learn about the details before jumping to conclusions. Most of us here did NOT "go pro" in the law. [1] For those that want to educate themselves, you could do worse than immediately leave HN and go _learn_:

1. SaaS Agreements: Key Contractual Provisions https://www.americanbar.org/groups/business_law/resources/bu...

2. Cornell Law School's Wex: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex

3. Coursera : American Contract Law I (Yale prof): https://www.coursera.org/learn/contracts-1

4. Software as a Service (SaaS) Agreements: Thomson Reuters/Westlaw (paywalled; trial available) https://content.next.westlaw.com/practical-law/document/I61c...

If anyone has good detailed resources that are free, please add.

[1] IANAL but I wasn't that far from going down that path. I've worked for a legal-tech startup, did really well in an undergrad Constitutional Law class, incorporated several small companies, managed lots of contractor agreements. So, I know from experience: legal language is weird and specific in ways you may not realize. So be intellectually humble and defer judgment until you talk to a legal expert. Hopefully people more experienced than I can weigh in with more specifics.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by astafrig »

mandeepj wrote: post #413
jorgeleo wrote: post #370

I was all for trying it until I saw this in the License Agreement: "4.1. Zed's Use of Customer Data Customer hereby grants Zed a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, fully paid-up, non-sublicensable (except to service providers and Customer’s designees), non-transferable (except as set forth in Section 15.1) right to use, copy, store, disclose, transmit, transfer, display, modify, create derivative works from, col…

wait, there's more [copied from the top comment of their youtube video ( https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6Bns1T77HM )] - 1. Mandatory arbitration by default. You waive your right to a jury trial and cannot join class action lawsuits. You have only 30 days to opt out after agreeing to the terms. 2. 1-year statute of limitations. You must file any legal claim within one year, which is much shorter than the default per…

Some of these are questionable, but 3 and 5 stick out. Being included makes it sound like whoever wrote this list doesn’t really know what Zed is?

It’s a local text editor. The only thing an account gives you is access to their specific flavour of coding agent and a collaboration server.

> If your payment lapses, they reserve the right to delete your account and all associated data with no liability.

Pretty much the only associated data is your payment info.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by DangitBobby »

dhosek wrote: post #496
DangitBobby wrote: post #414

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seriously. I love the IDE but given that my idle workload of Electron apps and Docker Desktop VM brings my discretionary allotment of RAM down from 32GB to 8GB, I have absolutely no headroom when running JetBrains IDEs so I keep them closed unless there's a specific feature I want.

What OS are you running? I currently have three Jetbrains IDEs open on my MacBook (M3 Max/36GB) and don’t notice any issue (although I don’t have any electron apps running which probably helps).

MacOS. I have Slack, Teams (different clients use different chat apps), Notion, Docker Desktop VM, several browser tabs, some corporate machine management stuff, and probably some things I'm forgetting about, all open all the time.

Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by rootnod3 »

coldtea wrote: post #454
coldtea wrote: post #446

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws None of the above I like, and (a) is so vague as to be useless, including if you read the obligations. > Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not…

Apparently you can do: "telemetry": { "diagnostics": false, "metrics": false }

That should be off by default. That alone is a "I won't use this" for me.

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Post by [deleted] »

coldtea wrote: post #446
meantub wrote: post #378

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws. Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not provide Customer Data to any person or entity other than Customer’s designees (including pursuant to Sect…

> Aren't you forgetting the part that says "solely: (a) to perform its obligations set forth in the Terms, including its Support obligations as applicable; (b) to derive and generate Telemetry (see Section 4.4); and (c) as necessary to comply with applicable Laws None of the above I like, and (a) is so vague as to be useless, including if you read the obligations. > Except as required by applicable Laws, Zed will not…

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Re: Zed 1.0

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Post by steve-atx-7600 »

entropyneur wrote: post #258

I've tried switching from JetBrains IDEs just a few days ago. The speed and memory footprint are very impressive. I ended up badly missing refactorings and some other features and configuring a debugging session looked like something that needs more time than I had on my hands. So went back for now. I hope they add more IDE features eventually. There's not much a pure text editor can offer over Emacs after all. But t…

no emacs key bindings??? Makes me taking this is another hipster text editor that isn’t “an ide” (vscode)
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