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Post by IG_Semmelweiss »

keithnz wrote: post #453
lmm wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Was it a right he had in the first place? Many countries make it illegal for foreigners to undertake political activities as a condition of their visa, for good reason.

the problem is, technically yes, they have a right, but their visa can be arbitrarily cancelled for very unspecified reasons, like the government not liking what you are doing and calling a potential security risk. This targeting of people, because they can, amazes me that Americans are so accepting of it. To me this says they'd do this to their citizens if they could. You already have the attack on birth right citiz…

The Swiss have birthright citizenship. What's so odd about it ?

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Post by peyton »

Jimmc414 wrote: post #479

The First Amendment applies to everyone on US soil, not just citizens. That’s settled law. The government can revoke visas for legitimate immigration violations, but it’s not allowed to use immigration machinery as a pretext to punish political expression. That’s exactly what they are doing. It looks like the courts will eventually put an end to this [0] but it won’t reverse the damage that’s already been done. I’m g…

Here’s a video of what this guy was involved in (to my best knowledge):

https://statements.cornell.edu/2024/20241019-career-fair-dis...

I’m a First Amendment absolutist and AFAIK foreign students can protest, but this video shows to me it probably crosses the line into something else. Exactly what, I have no opinion.

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Post by comelycomb »

kQq9oHeAz6wLLS wrote: post #503
lukeschlather wrote: post #487

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If that were a uniform stance, maybe, but when it's used for partisan reasons by the party in power it's a different story. That's also not the law, the law is that anyone in the country has the right to free speech. If rights only apply to citizens it is a mockery of the freedoms this country is built on.

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When did Obama create a masked gestapo that kills innocent civilians? Oh right. Never. Both siding with trump makes you look like a bot troll or worse.

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Post by normal-person »

He was banned from the Cornell Campus for participating in a violent demonstration, inciting violence against Jews.

It's very much not clear whether he is in a legal right or not. And no other country besides Western liberal democracies would allow anything like this. Certainly many Muslim countries do not allow it.

As an aside, a pro-Palestinian African is a laugh. Do you think Palestinians give the slightest damn about black African's plight?

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Post by normal-person »

eaf7e281 wrote: post #45

I still don't understand. Who gave ICE such power, and who is ordering them to do all this? To me, ICE's actions are similar to those of a private army.

Move for a constitutional amendment allowing free immigration then. Don't just stand there!

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Post by pandaman »

orbisvicis wrote: post #56

How was Amandla even identified? Stingray at the protest? Then how was the phone number linked to Google? Facial recognition at the protest? I guess his details are on file under terms of the visa? So then the government simply asks Google for all details on the individual by name? Either is pretty disturbing.

Likely he posted about it on every social network he uses.

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Post by ungreased0675 »

neya wrote: post #509

> In September 2024, Amandla Thomas-Johnson was a Ph.D. candidate studying in the U.S. on a student visa when he briefly attended a pro-Palestinian protest. Why would you go to a country for study purposes - where you explicitly tell the visa officers you're on US soil ONLY for study purposes - which is what the student visa explicitly grants you to do and then participate in a protest against the very country that g…

I think most countries on earth have very little tolerance for visitors protesting against the government.

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Post by emmelaich »

orbisvicis wrote: post #56

How was Amandla even identified? Stingray at the protest? Then how was the phone number linked to Google? Facial recognition at the protest? I guess his details are on file under terms of the visa? So then the government simply asks Google for all details on the individual by name? Either is pretty disturbing.

He was banned from the Cornell campus. His identity is far from a secret.

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Post by rainbow13 »

normal-person wrote: post #514

He was banned from the Cornell Campus for participating in a violent demonstration, inciting violence against Jews. It's very much not clear whether he is in a legal right or not. And no other country besides Western liberal democracies would allow anything like this. Certainly many Muslim countries do not allow it. As an aside, a pro-Palestinian African is a laugh. Do you think Palestinians give the slightest damn a…

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Post by emmelaich »

FuriouslyAdrift wrote: post #190
smallmancontrov wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of HNers who were earnestly arguing that this was the party of free speech indicates that this absolutely needs to be on the HN front page. > the administration’s rhetoric about cracking down on students protesting what we saw as genocide forced me into hiding for three months. Federal agents came to my home looking for me. A friend was detained at an airport in Tampa and interrogated about my whereabouts.

Freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences of that speech

Depends what the consequences are, obviously.
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