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Re: I quit. The clankers won

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rants about AI from people who have already decided up front to never actually attempt to use the tools (which seems to be the case here from the post and the other one it links) are not really providing any value to the discourse. There is nothing new about using machinery to automate boring / repetitive tasks, including the wall of resistance that comes up. But it should be clear that genuinely useful tooling and a…

We're starting to rethink what an over reliance on plow based tilling has done for soil health. The point being that technologies are tradeoffs and it's helpful to understand the tradeoffs we are making.

that's the absolute truth here

Re: I quit. The clankers won

#512
post #173

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Ok but if you're a person that likes HN discourse but thinks "eternal september" has happened ... what's your plan? You'll still come here, read the comments, see something engaging and want to reply and... feel sad because shakes fist at [datacenter] clouds it's all just bots talking to each other anyway. Seems lame. Keep talking anyway.

You’re making a lot of assumptions. They could just stop visiting HN. They don’t even need a “plan” or an alternative, they can just stop.

Well. My assumptions are based on the that the alternative would never matter. He'd simply stop existing (in HN-space), and that's an overtly less-fun universe to live in.

We certainly do suddenly live in "interesting times".

Re: I quit. The clankers won

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post #365

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No kidding. So far the complexity introduced by LLM-generated code in my current codebase has taken far more time to deal with than the hand-written code. Overall, we are trying to "silo" LLM-generated code into its own services with a well-defined interface so that the code can just be thrown away and regenerated (or rewritten by hand) because maintaining it is so difficult.

Yeah, same. I like the silo idea, I'll have to explore that. I'm relieved to hear this because the LLM hype in this thread is seriously disorienting. Deeply convinced that coding "by hand" is just as defensible in the LLM age as handwriting was in the TTY age. My dopamine system is quite unconvinced though, killing me.

I have a silo’d service that handles file uploads of PDFs, images and so on. It was largely vibe coded.

It sits on an isolated tier and isn’t allowed to persist state or have permanent storage. We wanted to reduce the impact of a security flaw in this code.

We’ve ended up doing similar things for search and for an orchestration tool used for testing. The key thing is it’s non critical so we can live without it.

Re: I quit. The clankers won

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No, the free software movement wants that the source code of the software you use be available to you to modify it if you wish. AI does not necessarily do that.

AI makes the entirety of the software engineering profession available to you. All you have to do is ask the right way, and you can build in days what once took months or years. Decompiling and re-engineering proprietary code has never been easier. You almost don't even need the source code anymore. The object code can be examined by your LLM, and binary patches applied. Closed source is no longer the moat it was, an…

> Decompiling and re-engineering proprietary code has never been easier. You almost don't even need the source code anymore. The object code can be examined by your LLM, and binary patches applied.

We've always been able to do that, but that's not the point. There's a reason free software licenses require the "the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it" to be opened.

One of the core tenets is that any user should have the exact same access as the original developers.

Re: I quit. The clankers won

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It's still arbitrary, even if you attempt to backfill reasoning and conflate opinion with fact. The fact is, it's generated content, less sophisticated code was use to generate it, but it's still generated from text input.

> It's still arbitrary, even if you attempt to backfill reasoning and conflate opinion with fact. Backill reasoning? Providing reasoning later is less legitimate? Why? Some people state things without spelling out the reasoning because they assume it is common sense. > The fact is, it's generated content, less sophisticated code was use to generate it, but it's still generated from text input. Your opinions are fact.…

I am going to assume that you're still speaking in good faith for now.

>Backill reasoning? Providing reasoning later is less legitimate? Why?

I think you might miss interpret the phrasing. To backfill reasoning means you reached your conclusion prior to reasoning about it, then attempt justification afterwards.

This is indeed significantly less legitimate.

>Some people state things without spelling out the reasoning because they assume it is common sense.

"Common sense isn't common" aka incredulous fallacy. It's up to you to clarify yourself. Not to expect others understand you immediately.

>Your opinions are fact.

They factually exist, but they are mutually exclusive from the definition of being a fact.

Opinions are not facts themselves.

>Your comments here are textbook arbitrariness.

Ok, let's look at a definition

>Arbitrary describes actions, decisions, or rules based on random choice, personal whim, or impulse rather than reason, system, or law.

Not sure how you could call a statement pointing out an issue with the authors position as claimed as not following any reason, or being based on whim. The reasoning was provided and referred to a specific system (synthetic vs non synthetic). Very much out of the bounds of a book definition of arbitrary.

I noticed you did not seem to provide a definition.

>To dig a little into it: it is generated content,

That's what I said...

>but that’s not necessarily what their arguments hinge on at all.

Based on what?

The author put multiple no-AI badges on the page. Infer what you wish, but it's clear the context given the broader palle of information avaible to anyone. The author drew an arbitrary line around the context to grant themselves the use of certain tools while avoiding a blow to their morals for the use of others.

They built up a dirt hill so they can feel like they are taller.

Don't support such delusions.

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